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MrTrunks
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Sat Aug 28, 2004 9:13 pm
Post subject: POW or Subhuman? |
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On 9/11 I remember Bush saying that the world trade attack was an “Act of War”. I remember how at the time this was kind of sucked because most people in New York that did have car or property insurance, it did not cover “acts of war” and this was kind of a joke. So later some people taken in to custody were being handled as prisoners or terrorists and not as POWs, and I remember in the Pentagon joking about the Red Cross or some one saying that if they are POWs then at the end of the war they need to be returned or tried for war crimes, and this was a logistics issue. In the AB-AW thread the issue of what makes some one a POW came up. So what do you think about POWs vs. unconventional combatants. I guess this would be a good time to talk about the US and its relationship with the UN and other international organizations.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1540544.stm
http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/insur/20010921a.asp
http://cfrterrorism.org/responses/detainees.html
and if you like quizes:
http://www.homeofheroes.com/quickquiz/020915_pow.html
a load of links.
http://www.fair.org/issues-news/terrorism.html
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LEstay
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Sat Aug 28, 2004 10:08 pm
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| MrTrunks wrote: | On 9/11 I remember Bush saying that the world trade attack was an “Act of War”. I remember how at the time this was kind of sucked because most people in new your that had car or property insurance it did not cover “acts of war” and this was kind of a joke. So later some people taken in to custody were being handled as prisoners or terrorists and not as POWs, and I remember in the Pentagon joking about the Red Cross or some one saying that if they are POWs then at the end of the war they need to be returned or tried for war crimes, and this was a logistics issue. In the AB-AW thread the issue of what makes some one a POW came up. So what do you think about POWs vs. unconventional combatants. I guess this would be a good time to talk about the US and its relationship with the UN and other international organizations.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1540544.stm
http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/insur/20010921a.asp
http://cfrterrorism.org/responses/detainees.html
and if you like quizes:
http://www.homeofheroes.com/quickquiz/020915_pow.html
a load of links.
http://www.fair.org/issues-news/terrorism.html |
If you're talking about Taliban fighters, the Taliban government was not recognized by the US or the UN. Henceforth, they were not considered conventional soldiers. These "enemy combatants" are those that are not fighting for a government.
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MrTrunks
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Right, I agree the Taliban are considered unconventional combatants. I guess it was in “Hrg. No. 106-173 -- Global Terrorism: South Asia--The New Locus” that the House Committee on International Relations reclarified for the US that only a few nations recognize the Taliban as government and the US is not one of them. And in “UN: Security Council Sanctions Meeting
Resolution 1267” the UN pretty much says Afghanistan is not an international player but if the Taliban hand over bin Laden and do a few other straight forward things, then the UN would start to consider the Taliban as an internationally respectable government.
My observation is that the Taliban were only a “stop harbouring criminals” away from being a ‘legit’ government
On a similar note (as it has been pointed out to me) the rebels in Iraq are criminals not soldiers. Iraq has a new government and they are not working for that new government. I am not sure what the solders taken prisoner before the US said the War was over, or the new government installed are now, I would assume that they are still POWs, not unconventional solders, or run of the mill criminal detainees. I have been reading the reports that the red cross estimates that perhaps 90% of prisoners/ detainees are innocent. I would really like to know the Red Cross gets that 90% number. Anonymous US interrogators and US solders are also saying that most of the people brought in for questioning are innocent and eventually have been/ will be released. And for all of the solders in Iraq that are or where hiding in holes and such, when they pop out are they going to be “combatants” or rebels?
The other obvious question to me is if this high percentage of detainees is being found innocent, and the prisoners have loop-holed out of the Geneva Convention, is the US force in Iraq that is accused of the prisoner abuse only being accused of beating, humiliating, raping, and killing that upper 10% of “guilty” detainees.
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Sunny
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Trunks, why don't you just join the taliban? 
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MrTrunks
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| Sunny wrote: | | Trunks, why don't you just join the taliban? |
This is my worst nightmare, I go in to work one day and I get a memo in a small manila envelope that is addressed to me but is stamped above my clearance: Demining specialist needed, oil field, and msat communications skills required, firearms training, computer programming, and a language skills a plus.
*Start growing your beard.*
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