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MrTrunks
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Thu Oct 21, 2004 1:25 am
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CNN is too funny...
Democratic presidential contender Kerry charged that Bush's failures in Iraq made the United States weaker in the global war on terror.
"That is the hard truth," Kerry told supporters in Waterloo, Iowa. "The president refuses to acknowledge it. But terrorism experts around the world do."
"The next commander in chief must lead us to victory in this war ,and you cannot win a war when you don't believe you're fighting one," Bush told supporters at a rally in Iowa.
This is where Bush’s out of context quote really is fun…
Is the President really trying to convince people that he will be able to win (and end) terrorism in the next four years? Really? Are people believing this?
Bush said Kerry's plan to raise money by raising taxes on the top two income tax brackets wouldn't work, because "the rich hire lawyers and accountants for a reason: to stick you with the tab."
Well I guess this is the honest truth, but don’t you think it’s a poor choice the for government, give up before you try.
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phoAm
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Thu Oct 21, 2004 12:56 pm
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The taxes are good right now. If you let people earn more of what they make, they spend more money and help the economy.
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Earl
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Thu Oct 21, 2004 2:46 pm
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| phoAm wrote: | | The taxes are good right now. If you let people earn more of what they make, they spend more money and help the economy. |
If I say one phrase, this may become a forum of craziness...well here we go...
FLAT TAX!!!!
there go debate about it...
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Adam
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Thu Oct 21, 2004 6:43 pm
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| Earl wrote: | | phoAm wrote: | | The taxes are good right now. If you let people earn more of what they make, they spend more money and help the economy. |
If I say one phrase, this may become a forum of craziness...well here we go...
FLAT TAX!!!!
there go debate about it... |
Couldn't agree more. Every person should pay the same number of dollars in taxes. Sure this will be hard on poor people, but it's obvious that they're poor because they're not as good as the non-poor people. I mean, something oughtta motivate these assholes to work harder...
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LEstay
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Thu Oct 21, 2004 7:26 pm
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I have a crazy idea... why not instead of making new tax brackets and tax credits just increase the exemption amount of income. Anyone that makes less than $25,000 ($50,000 MFJ) should not have to pay any tax. Then those who are above it start paying the 25% bracket. This way there's tax relief for the "middle class" and the rich aren't getting "the biggest tax cuts."
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MrTrunks
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Fri Oct 22, 2004 12:53 am
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| lestay wrote: | | I have a crazy idea... why not instead of making new tax brackets and tax credits just increase the exemption amount of income. Anyone that makes less than $25,000 ($50,000 MFJ) should not have to pay any tax. Then those who are above it start paying the 25% bracket. This way there's tax relief for the "middle class" and the rich aren't getting "the biggest tax cuts." |
great idea. but Bush said "the rich hire lawyers and accountants for a reason: to stick you with the tab."
the truth rings like a bell. The other weakness is like what id you make 25,000, you would be better off to make 18750 up to 25,000. so suddenly making 10 or 12 bucks and hour would be better than making 14. We would have an artificially supported lower middle class.
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BrutalitybytheTruth
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Fri Oct 22, 2004 10:17 am
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| Adam wrote: | | Earl wrote: | | phoAm wrote: | | The taxes are good right now. If you let people earn more of what they make, they spend more money and help the economy. |
If I say one phrase, this may become a forum of craziness...well here we go...
FLAT TAX!!!!
there go debate about it... |
Couldn't agree more. Every person should pay the same number of dollars in taxes. Sure this will be hard on poor people, but it's obvious that they're poor because they're not as good as the non-poor people. I mean, something oughtta motivate these assholes to work harder... |
HOLY SHIT, THE TRUTH HAS BEEN SPOKEN!!!!
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LEstay
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Fri Oct 22, 2004 10:43 am
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| MrTrunks wrote: | | lestay wrote: | | I have a crazy idea... why not instead of making new tax brackets and tax credits just increase the exemption amount of income. Anyone that makes less than $25,000 ($50,000 MFJ) should not have to pay any tax. Then those who are above it start paying the 25% bracket. This way there's tax relief for the "middle class" and the rich aren't getting "the biggest tax cuts." |
great idea. but Bush said "the rich hire lawyers and accountants for a reason: to stick you with the tab."
the truth rings like a bell. The other weakness is like what id you make 25,000, you would be better off to make 18750 up to 25,000. so suddenly making 10 or 12 bucks and hour would be better than making 14. We would have an artificially supported lower middle class. |
No... what Im saying is that the first $25k or $50k is not taxed, then anything over is then taxed. So you still get a benefit for working more and getting paid more. It's not saying that if you make $25k that all of it is taxed, just the part over.
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MrTrunks
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Fri Oct 22, 2004 11:20 am
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No... what Im saying is that the first $25k or $50k is not taxed, then anything over is then taxed. So you still get a benefit for working more and getting paid more. It's not saying that if you make $25k that all of it is taxed, just the part over. |
Oh well that sounds like a great plan.
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LEstay
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Fri Oct 22, 2004 11:22 am
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| MrTrunks wrote: | | lestay wrote: |
No... what Im saying is that the first $25k or $50k is not taxed, then anything over is then taxed. So you still get a benefit for working more and getting paid more. It's not saying that if you make $25k that all of it is taxed, just the part over. |
Oh well that sounds like a great plan. |
Are you serious or are you being sarcastic?
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enzfyr
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Fri Oct 22, 2004 5:48 pm
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ok, no offense meant here lando by this suggestion to make your chosen career obsolete, but get rid of the income tax & IRS entirely & impose a national sales tax
eliminate the administrative burden (necessitating accountants & lawyers) of recordkeeping income, etc., the penalties imposed by taking more of whatever more you make, & the lack of justice of revenue not collected on unreported income (tips, prostitution, drug lords, etc....)
you buy something, you pay tax ... the more you buy, the more tax you pay ... theoretically, you have to have more to buy more, so the tax you pay correlates to a certain extent with what you have ... and it also automatically provides an incentive for savings, b/c you're not taxed on what you don't spend
also have to eliminate estate tax entirely ... why is govt allowed to confiscate remaining assets left over after someone's life when they paid taxes on the income generated over a lifetime, & this stuff is just what was left over?
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MrTrunks
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Fri Oct 22, 2004 7:07 pm
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| enzfyr wrote: | | ok, no offense meant here lando by this suggestion to make your chosen career obsolete, but get rid of the income tax & IRS entirely & impose a national sales tax |
In theory this might work, but you could never smoothly implement it. The initial impact on the economy would be crazy. I think more people would figure out how to live with out buying less stuff, that is exact opposite of modern American.
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eliminate the administrative burden (necessitating accountants & lawyers) of recordkeeping income, etc., the penalties imposed by taking more of whatever more you make, & the lack of justice of revenue not collected on unreported income (tips, prostitution, drug lords, etc....) |
I don’t think that congress, (many many lawyers) would go for this. But again a great idea in theory.
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LEstay
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Fri Oct 22, 2004 7:59 pm
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| enzfyr wrote: | ok, no offense meant here lando by this suggestion to make your chosen career obsolete, but get rid of the income tax & IRS entirely & impose a national sales tax
eliminate the administrative burden (necessitating accountants & lawyers) of recordkeeping income, etc., the penalties imposed by taking more of whatever more you make, & the lack of justice of revenue not collected on unreported income (tips, prostitution, drug lords, etc....)
you buy something, you pay tax ... the more you buy, the more tax you pay ... theoretically, you have to have more to buy more, so the tax you pay correlates to a certain extent with what you have ... and it also automatically provides an incentive for savings, b/c you're not taxed on what you don't spend
also have to eliminate estate tax entirely ... why is govt allowed to confiscate remaining assets left over after someone's life when they paid taxes on the income generated over a lifetime, & this stuff is just what was left over? |
Actually Edie, accounting firms make more money on audits than they do tax jobs. The proposal that I suggested even cuts some of the tax returns out.
While I agree that income tax sucks, many people (mostly liberals) will complain about the national sales tax... that it'll increase the burden on the poor people. From what I understand, many industrial nations now imploy a national sales tax. Now, if we were to make a national sales tax, would congress repeal the income tax, or would they "forget"?
What I've seen advocated is what's called a "value-added tax." What this does is add a certain percentage tax into the cost of the product. Of course, the gov't can say what does and doesn't get slapped with the VAT. It could say that all foods aren't taxed... it could also say yachts aren't taxed.
And yes, the estate tax sucks too. If you have a family member that has lots of crap, make sure they die in 2010 so that the estate tax wont hit it. Why should people have stuff taken away that they worked so hard for?
If anyone wants a good read related to this, read Adventure Capitalist by Jim Rogers. I think that's what it's called. If it's the one with him and a motorcycle, that's the book. If it's the big, ugly, yellow car, then thats not it.
Here's a good web site that relates to the income tax burden.
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alex2
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Sat Oct 23, 2004 4:30 pm
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| Adam wrote: |
Sure this will be hard on poor people, but it's obvious that they're poor because they're not as good as the non-poor people. I mean, something oughtta motivate these assholes to work harder... |
HE can motivate the black creatures
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Earl
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Sun Oct 24, 2004 1:21 am
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LOL!!! Being a former playa' of MTG, I can appreciate the FULL experience of that post, that was GREAT!!!! HAHAHAAHA
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