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JasonB
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 8:07 am
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So, not sure if everyone has seen the ads, but there are certain groups pushing for a change to the amendment, making it alright for a non-born american to be president.
Think this is a good idea? Could we stomach having Kindergarten Cop as president?
I know April (gemlikeflame) is jumping up and down for this!! 
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Norris
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 11:26 am
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Fuckin A! Arnold would make ten times better of a president than Bush. At least his approval rating is above 50%. I know he has done some great things in California, and the best thing about Arnold is that he doesn't do things the way his party wants him too. Also, he's married to a Kennedy, which is a plus as well.
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LEstay
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 11:30 am
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Yeah, but does Arnold have hot twin girls like Bush has?
I Heart Bush Twins!
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Mooshell
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 11:47 am
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If the world is laughing at us now, it would be interesting to see their reaction to us electing the Terminator for prez.. heh. I have nothing against Arnold though, I think he rocks.
There are lots of foreign born people in this country that make way better citizens than many of the natural born ones... but honestly, I think the campaign is a waste of money.. People already blame the "immigrants" for stealing "our jobs", I can't imagine the general public letting one be our president *shrug*
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MrTrunks
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 1:33 pm
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| lestay wrote: | Yeah, but does Arnold have hot twin girls like Bush has?
I Heart Bush Twins! |
creepy.
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Mackey
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 3:20 pm
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I think it is ethically wrong for a non-american citizen to be able to be a part of politics at all. This country was founded on the basis of the american people. Not necessarily pure blood in the factor of Native Americans but in the essence of born in the United States, been a citizen since concieved. I visited Los Angeles over the summer for a trip with my best friend and I would like to state that we outside the California border may like Arnold but the residents of California absolutely despise him. True, he does have the popular vote, but who was he running against? A midget, a pornstar, and a wide variety of other hyped up celebrities and unlikely candidates. My best friends uncle, who lives on Mulholland Drive, states Arnold is the worst thing ever to happen to California.
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Norris
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 3:23 pm
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Landon, it would be wrong to judge someone based on the fact that they have hot daughters, and you know what, those girls ain't even all that. It's the power of their father that attracts me to them. Arnold is a good governor and I believe he would be a good president. That is all.
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Earl
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| Mackey wrote: | | I think it is ethically wrong for a non-american citizen to be able to be a part of politics at all. This country was founded on the basis of the american people. Not necessarily pure blood in the factor of Native Americans but in the essence of born in the United States, been a citizen since concieved. I visited Los Angeles over the summer for a trip with my best friend and I would like to state that we outside the California border may like Arnold but the residents of California absolutely despise him. True, he does have the popular vote, but who was he running against? A midget, a pornstar, and a wide variety of other hyped up celebrities and unlikely candidates. My best friends uncle, who lives on Mulholland Drive, states Arnold is the worst thing ever to happen to California. |
You opinion as well as his, I have heard from several sources that Arnold has turned around California where it is heading in the right direction. My theory is that you want a politican whom will not PLAY the political game. You want someone who has NO knowledge of politics so they will not be subject to corruption and other aspects of the political machine. Gov. Arnold has enough money that he doesn't need anymore and therefore will not be corrupted. The longer someone has been in the politcal machine the more likely they of adopted values other than their own. This is Gov. Arnold's 1sy stab at politics. If President Bush gets the naturalization law t passed that would make it possible for people living here for a certain amount of time to run for president and if Gov. Arnold runs for President in 2008, I WILL vote for him, that is if former Mayor of NY, Gulliani, does not run.
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Mooshell
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 4:15 pm
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| Mackey wrote: | | I think it is ethically wrong for a non-american citizen to be able to be a part of politics at all. This country was founded on the basis of the american people.. |
Umm.. what makes it ethically wrong? Because in case you slept through history class.. we all came over here on boats at one time or another (excluding the Native Americans of course). So what makes us so smart and wonderful, and the newbies unworthy of political involvement?!
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Mackey
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 4:54 pm
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"No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of president" (Article II, Section 1)
It is in our constitution, we are changing our whole viewpoints provided by our fore fathers, does this not seem wrong to anyone else? They were foreigners and obviously they were against the idea as well. I am not saying that any immigrant or foreigner does not have the capacity to do it but if we went to England or Canada to become Prime Ministers do you think they would allow it? I don't think so. I tried to research the procedures to become a prime minister but could not find any. We should change our original constitution to allow foreigners to become president? I think that is wrong, very wrong, if they wanted a place of power or a voice in the government, be a senator, congressman, or governor. We have given them that right, why do they need the president position as well?
I was watching T.V. the other day and noticed this talk going on, all different types of foreigners joined the U.S. Military and when they were asked to go to Iraq, you know what they said? "This is not my war, I am an immigrant" and the U.S. government said "O.K., thats fine" That is complete ignorance on both parts, if you don't want to fight, fine, but don't ask to lead this nation if you won't fight for it. I say we keep our constitution sacred and not change the amendment.
Also, on your basis of us being on boats at once as well, I did not come over on a boat, my family did and they never got the chance to run for president if they even had that idea in their head. I was born as a pureblood american in the form that I was born on U.S. soil. If Arnold wants to be president, shit out of luck bud, have a son or daughter and they can be president. Whats the big problem? All our families are immigrants so they were never given the opportunity, I have no problem with that and neither should ya'll. Let me ask you this, it is against the law for anyone under the age of 21 to consume alcoholic beverages in all the states, if you are consuming alcohol and you are under 18...the cops barge in and find you drinking, they write you a MIP, you take it because you know you are in the wrong, IT IS THE SAME THING! They are immigrants, they know the laws and constitution (hell they took a test to become citizens) the constitutuion says no, why should we change it? It is just as big of a stance as underage drinking, and no one is in the mood to change that! So, I say no once again.
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MrTrunks
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 5:06 pm
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| Mackey wrote: | I was watching T.V. the other day and noticed this talk going on, all different types of foreigners joined the U.S. Military and when they were asked to go to Iraq, you know what they said? "This is not my war, I am an immigrant" and the U.S. government said "O.K., thats fine" That is complete ignorance on both parts, if you don't want to fight, fine, but don't ask to lead this nation if you won't fight for it. I say we keep our constitution sacred and not change the amendment.
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I am not for the amendment. But I understand why the military does not force objectors on the battlefield.
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Adam
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 5:16 pm
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| Mackey wrote: | "No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of president" (Article II, Section 1)
It is in our constitution, we are changing our whole viewpoints provided by our fore fathers, does this not seem wrong to anyone else? |
Our forefathers also believed in slavery. Don't get your ideas from the Constitution; let the Constitution get its ideas from us. Having said that, I don't think our policy on who can be Pres. should be changed. We have more important things to worry about.
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funkybrewster
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 5:40 pm
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A big problem I can forsee with allowing immigrants to run for President would be this. Foreigners could basically grow their candidates. We could be overrun by foreigners who have a different set of values than we do. It could have a similar affect as an occupating dictator.
You might argue that they could do that now, using an American born perosn, and you'd be right. However, I find it alot harder to believe that they could rightly pull that off.
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Norris
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:15 pm
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I read what all of y'all are writing, but no one has given a valid point why a foreign born citizen wouldn't make a good president. The country may be stupid enough to re-elect the worst president in history, but they won't choose the wrong foreigner to lead the country. Plus, congress and the supreme court won't give him too much power.
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MrTrunks
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:23 pm
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fear.
The fear is that we should not allow a foreign born president because he possibly may have an alliance to another country. Is that not a valid point?
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