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JasonB
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Wed Sep 14, 2005 4:44 pm
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alright fuckers, this dickwaving contest has to stop. You are both corporate dorks, and neither one of you are half as cool as you think you are. earlier trunks said that you should just agree to disagree, and i can't stress that enough...
move on!
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Trunks
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Wed Sep 14, 2005 7:51 pm
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| rwnugent wrote: | | that's par for course. unqualified republican gets chest puffing job. has to actually do something, screws it up severely and then quits so the media will lay off bush. |
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Its not just a republican thing, its an all walks of life thing.
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...look no farther than the Sorbaines Oxley Act
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Sunny is saying we should accept unethical behavior because every one does it, that the government reinforces this type of behavior with legislation that has to do with accounting and auditing practices.
I can not accept a leader ship that puts life at unnecessary risk for unethical reasons.
I have worked plenty of places (government and private) that did not expect me to unnecessarily endanger my life or the life of others, and certainly not over office politics.
Sunny’s argument is that maybe I have not been in management long enough.
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JasonB
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Wed Sep 14, 2005 8:14 pm
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hmmmm, putting life at unnecessary risk for unethical reasons...
kinda sounds like putting life at unnecessary risk in order to fight a war that nobody really supports..
It's great that when the public approval ratings come out every week, they say that they don't think the ratings can get any lower, and every week they do.
at least when clinton got a BJ in office, it didn't affect kill thousands of people....
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rwnugent
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Wed Sep 14, 2005 10:50 pm
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| JasonB wrote: | | they say that they don't think the ratings can get any lower, and every week they do. |
Seems like that is inversrely proportional to gas prices.
That said I would like to say that the government is run like corporations in a way. But anything that is in any way supposed to be organized has to run on some basic guidelines that are pretty much the same.
You have to have a certain chain of command for procurement for certain projects based on priority and necessity. You have to have guidelines laying out who should be responsible for what and when they should pass that responsibility on.
That difference between government and corporations or private buisinesses is that buisinesses are created to make money by convincing people to give them their money for a product or service and government simply demands that we give it money (through taxes) and then they use that money to provide the public with goods or services that they are deemed to need. Many times this money is passed on to corporations and buisinesses through government contracts and "pork barrel" projects.
As Sunny said our elected officials are really no better than the guy you work with because they aren't royalty in the traditional sense. They come from affluent families and they can come from poor neighborhoods and make good in one way or another. In the end though they all have buddies that are going to get preferential treatment or a high paying job because they are buddies with the powers that be. Hence Michael Brown of FEMA. I have not read his resume and I know very little about the guy but I do know that the fields of horse breeding and disaster management aren't even closely related but he had a friend who knows somebody and the rest is history and fortunately so is he now.
ok goodnight i hope this makes sense
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Sunny
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Thu Sep 15, 2005 6:00 am
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I cant agree to disagree, because this douchebag is wrong.
He hasn't properly quoted or responded to anything i have said, now he is bringing ethics and corruption into it.
He should agree to shoot himself.
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JasonB
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Thu Sep 15, 2005 6:02 am
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Yes! Yes! the douchebag us wrong...
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Trunks
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Thu Sep 15, 2005 4:41 pm
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As Sunny said our elected officials are really no better than the guy you work with because they aren't royalty in the traditional sense. |
Yes this is what I think Sunny is saying. My disagreement is that not only do I think that the politicians in question (this administration) are no better, I think they are far worse in this case than the average person. This is demonstrated by a disregard for the value of human life.
As Jason mentioned and as we have discussed before, in the tactics and execution of the liberation of Iraq, and recently the tactics and execution of the evacuation and relief efforts for the people affected by Hurricane Katrina.
Since this thread had started and I made my initial arguments Bush has acknowledged mishandling and public accepted responsibility.
Bush accepts that he could have, should have, done more sooner, including not playing political games with the local government, and allowing other federal officials to do the same.
His actions put lives at continued additional unnecessary risk. He acknowledges that. He will be on TV tonight acknowledging it.
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He ... now he is bringing ethics and corruption into it. |
..."in the best interest of the agency and best interest of the president," ...
...padding his resume...
...president ducked questions ....
...departure long overdue...
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that's par for course. unqualified republican gets chest puffing job. has to actually do something, screws it up severely and then quits so the media will lay off bush.
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This thread is about government ethics and corruption, I did not just bring that out of nowhere.
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What management experience do you have?
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You are the topic derailer in this case. I was going alone with you to try to understand what your point and how you came to it. Now you are pissy because I answered your questions.
| Sunny wrote: | ...he hasn't properly quoted or responded to anything i have said...
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My apology. I do not think I have misquoted you, or responded improperly to what you have said. I think that this difference in our perception must further complicate resolving or arguments.
Unfortunately it seems we have been talking about two different topics, with out knowing it. I have been talking about my perception of corporate and government attitude, environment and ethics. While your argument naively seems to me that because many government leaders are similar to stereotypical corporate executives tolerate poor behavior. Continuing with the idea that government legislates necessity for unethical advancement and accounting practices.
Please let me know if I am off base, and if I am wrong Sunny, be kind enough to explain again what your actual point is?
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Sunny
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Thu Sep 15, 2005 5:59 pm
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everything you posted in this thread is wrong. You have no concept about how government actually works.
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JasonB
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Thu Sep 15, 2005 6:02 pm
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well....well....your mom is fat
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Sunny
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Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:25 pm
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don't be upset that your mom's cock is bigger than yours.
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Trunks
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Sunny
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Fri Sep 16, 2005 5:17 am
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again, i have mentioned nothing about legislation or ethics. I am talking about the fact that government is just like everything else.
Things don't get done because their are idiots like you, arguing with assholes like me.
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Trunks
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Fri Sep 16, 2005 10:46 am
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| Sunny wrote: | | again, i have mentioned nothing about legislation or ethics. |
Really? you could have fooled me...
Legislatoin:
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you need look no farther than the Sorbaines Oxley Act which governs Public Companies. |
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Its not just a republican thing, its an all walks of life thing....
actually believe that politicians are better than the average person...
cheated on his wife, lied under oath...
got promoted because he was a member of the family ...
Government works the same way, they only worry about the spending ...
government is just like everything else. Things don't get done...
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Now Sunny you are trapped in your own lies.
What you were arguing is that things don’t get done because of bickering like you and I are doing. My comment in context to your statement is that I would not jeopardize your life or the lives of your friends, family, or neighborhood over bickering or fear that judgment. I don’t think most people would not ether, people in this country time and time again have put differences aside in time of crisis to rise and overcome. In the context of the hurricane the government did let what amounted to a difference of opinion and fear judgment get a head of saving lives.
If you honestly think that you would let a trivial argument stop you from saving someone’s life you must be a sad, sad human being.
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Sunny
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Fri Sep 16, 2005 11:40 am
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If you had looked up the sorbaines oxley act, you would know, it isn't unfair or unethical legislation, it is actually very good, however, it is so huge and unwieldly that it actually added several new layers to the government, as well as corporations that have to abide by it.
How does not being able to get supplies in because of missing, destroyed, or flooded roadways, railways and airports, not being able to call out because of down communications and power stations a bad judgement call on the part of the government?
The bad judgement calls came from the idiots who refused to leave, and those who expect cradle to grave handholding from the government. Those are the mentalities that are ruining this country.
You know why the president took the blame, because its the right thing to do. Because pussies like you, are always looking for someone to blame, instead of actually getting off and doing something for yourselves.
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Trunks
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Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:40 pm
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| Sunny wrote: | If you had looked up the sorbaines oxley act, you would know, it isn't unfair or unethical legislation, it is actually very good, however, it is so huge and unwieldly that it actually added several new layers to the government, as well as corporations that have to abide by it.
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I did not have to look it up to know what it was, I did have to confirm how to spell it. So what is the goal of this act, it is to hamper Unethical accounting behavior. Like Enron and WorldCom Experience.
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How does not being able to get supplies in because of missing, destroyed, or flooded roadways, railways and airports, not being able to call out because of down communications and power stations a bad judgement call on the part of the government?
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Again you are confused, the destroyed roads and such where not the sole reason get supplies in. Political red tape, unethical government mismanagement of jurisdiction stopped the supplies that were planned but prevented to enter. This is all well documented.
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The bad judgement calls came from the idiots who refused to leave, and those who expect cradle to grave handholding from the government. Those are the mentalities that are ruining this country.
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That is not the mentality of people running the country.
Our president who arguably runs the country,
"Americans of every race and religion were touched by this storm, yet of the greatest hardship fell upon citizens already facing lives of struggle -- the elderly, the vulnerable and the poor," ... "And this poverty has roots in generations of discrimination and segregation that closed many doors of opportunity."
The government acknowledges that many people that did not leave we the elderly and poor. I do not believe that the mentality is that the government is that they are idiots who expect handholding. I do understand that is a matter of opinion and you are entitled to yours.
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You know why the president took the blame, because its the right thing to do. ... |
agreed
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