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LEstay
All Around Nice Guy
Joined: Jun 09, 2004
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Fri Sep 03, 2004 9:48 am
Post subject: Liberal hypocracy |
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Once again, the party of "tolerance" has shown it's intolerance and hypocracy.
Zell Miller, long time Democrat and retiring senator from Georgia, made a speech at the Republican National Convention. Many in his party, understandably, are outraged at this. Yet Dick Cavett, an old talk show host who hosted a debate between John Kerry and SBVT founder John O'Neill, said Miller looked like a Klansman. He was referring to the fact that Miller once worked for former Georgia Governor Lester Maddox, who was in the Klan. Yet when Miller was defending pro-Democratic causes, this fact was NEVER brought up. Also, why isnt Cavett calling Senator Robert Byrd (a Democrat) a Klansman when Byrd WAS in the KKK?
As I've said before, not all liberals are like this, and some conservatives do this too... but everyone should be fair about their accusations. Bill Clinton was praised for a 5.6% unemployment rate, yet Bush is hounded at the same rate and lower! The unemployment rate fell to 5.4% today, which is "still not good enough" for the media.
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Ichiban
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Joined: Dec 09, 2002
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Fri Sep 03, 2004 11:45 am
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My 5 year old nephew acts much the same, in a less complicated manner of course. Everything's cool until they don't get their way, then they start slinging mud. Hell, I could post examples of that from here.
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"Everyone is in favor of free speech. Hardly a day passes without its being extolled, but some people's idea of it is that they are free to say what they like, but if anyone says anything back, that is an outrage." --Winston Churchill |
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MrTrunks
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Fri Sep 03, 2004 9:54 pm
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Parisian politics is about mud slinging, this is mostly because both parties know that it is more effective then talking about the real issues.
If you really wanted something and had one competitor what would you do? If you had little time.
Point out how you are better on several (subjective) issues.
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Make people think that your competitor is dishonest or immoral.
It a logic puzzle to some competitors, like the one person always lies on always tell the truth, you can ask each one questions, how do you pick?
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MrTrunks
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LEstay
All Around Nice Guy
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Sat Sep 04, 2004 12:12 am
Post subject: Re: Liberal hypocracy |
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The reason it trended up was because of the recession at the end of Clinton's presidency and the hit the economy took in 2001. The economy is not really any president's fault. The economy moves in cycles, up and down. A president with congress can help jump start the economy back up, but it's going to go back down eventually. You'll see that within the next 2 years the economy will be going back up, then fall again between the end of the next term and the beginning of the administration after that.
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lsugroovychlck
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Sat Sep 04, 2004 12:54 am
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omg lestay is awesome...
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LEstay
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Sat Sep 04, 2004 1:07 am
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| lsugroovychlck wrote: | | omg lestay is awesome... |
How so? Please do share 
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lsugroovychlck
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| Quote: | | As I've said before, not all liberals are like this, and some conservatives do this too... but everyone should be fair about their accusations. Bill Clinton was praised for a 5.6% unemployment rate, yet Bush is hounded at the same rate and lower! The unemployment rate fell to 5.4% today, which is "still not good enough" for the media. |
Have my hypothetical babies please! lol If you were a dem I'd ask you to abort them.
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LEstay
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Sat Sep 04, 2004 1:24 am
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I'm all about fairness... I would be upset if they did the exact opposite: say a Republican president is great a 5.4% yet a Democratic president is crappy at 5.4%.
And yes, if you want my babies that can be arranged. (Please everyone note: this is the closest thing to a sexual reference I have made so far... you've corrupted me!)
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MrTrunks
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Sat Sep 04, 2004 2:41 am
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| lestay wrote: | | The economy is not really any president's fault. The economy moves in cycles, up and down. |
And now you are separating issues try to duck from the facts perhaps? unemployment and the economy.
I would not say it is the presidents fault, but just saying its cyclic is just saying its going to change not how it will, or why.
I just don’t believe your cycle theory holds much ground if you look at the unemployment statistics. Look at the past 40 years in macro vision 62 to 70 unemployment is going down, democrat in office. 70- 76 up from around 5% to 9% then back down 8 ish, Republican. Ok so 76 to 81 down and back up no real gain or loss. 81 to 90, gains in first term to a peek above 10% in 83 then falling till 90 or so so that republican started bad and ended better (5.5%), then bush sr. pumps it up almost to 8% again. So yea that was all republican. So 92-2000 drops from 8% to 4%. Clinton took it down by half, its that simple, Democrat. 01-03 Republican in office of president goes up above 6%. If you look at the past 40 years the obvious trend is the Democrats reduce the unemployment rate.
So any one that looks at just a number or percentage is not looking at the big picture. Now I did not bother to take the next step and look at what party controlled the house and senate during that time, but that was not mentioned in the add any way.
Maybe it my love of calculus that I look at the slope of a function.
Simply Democratic presidents are present when unemployment is decreasing.
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LEstay
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Sat Sep 04, 2004 10:11 am
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You need to look at basic economic models to show the cyclic nature of the economy. There's a phenomenon called "full employment," which is NOT 0%. I have no idea where full employment is, but it's the point at which the asset market and demand market schedules (or lines) cross, which points out where the employment level and exchange rate are (this is similar to the demand and supply lines). The goal for central banks is to put employment at this "full employment" spot through expansionary and contractionary measures. If the economy goes beyond full employment, then inflation kicks in and the economy slows. (No, there wont be a test on this.)
If you look at Papa Bush when he lost, the economy was already starting to go up, then of course Clinton got credit. Clinton also had a weak spot in the economy, but then the tech bubble gave Clinton a strong economy. When the bubble burst, it was still under the Clinton administration, but the bottom hit when Dubya took office.
When you hear about interest rate changes (monetary policy), these effects take a while to kick in. When you have tax and spending changes (fiscal policy), these effects are immediate.
I took a class on this stuff, so it may not make much sense to the non-business minded. Please, though, dont try to explain anything about engineering to me!
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MrTrunks
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Sun Sep 05, 2004 12:31 am
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Be careful not to apply economic “models” to political history, one is an abstracted construct and the other is constructed abstraction.
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