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Mooshell
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 6:00 pm
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| gemlikeflame wrote: |
Exactly! You realize Portland is 85% registered democrats? Yet, OR is a swing state... I need my absentee ballot mailed to me SOON. I hope it comes in soon. I'm still registered in OR  . I figured they would need my vote more than LA. |
You rock! Yeah, if it wasn't for our lovely liberal city, and Eugene.. Oregon would totally go to Bush.. The rest of our state is all about The W. 
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Patrick
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 6:02 pm
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America should go to socialists because capitalism is just a mean-spirited thing.
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gemlikeflame
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 6:14 pm
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| Patrick wrote: | | America should go to socialists because capitalism is just a mean-spirited thing. |
Why do you think that?
Because honestly? Socialism, in my eyes, is the absolute worst thing that could happen for our country right now.
America just isn't fit for socialism. We're naturally a free-market and individualistic nation. Most other socialist countries were used to government control over the economies. The United States has performed and still performs well with a capitalist-leaning mixed economy. We don't need to change to improve. Our middle class is the largest class and our poor are much richer than most other nations' poor. Anyone in our country can succeed under the capitalist system and anyone can move here and be successful.
There's no need for socalism in the States. Capitalism may not be perfect, but it's a lot better than socialism is for a country as large, populated, and with a great history of economic growth and prosperity as ours.
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gemlikeflame
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 6:21 pm
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| Mooshell wrote: | I totally agree! Some "liberal" people who preach freedom of speech and tolerance and whatnot, are completely intolerant of people whose views are different than theirs.
Right now in Oregon we have a controversial measure up for voting that would define marriage as only between one man, and one woman. The campaign for the measure has had thousands of signs stolen, cars with bumper stickers have been keyed and otherwise vandalized, and people form the "No" campaign barricaded the table for the "Yes" campaign and stole all their stuff.
Way to be tolerant! Oh yeah! |
Less than three months ago, when I still lived in Oregon, my car was keyed for having Bush/Cheney bumper stickers. Ah, yes. I remember liberal Portland... One thing I don't miss about it.
However, I must say, as blind and ignorant as the liberalism was up there, I do see a lot of blind and ignorant conservatism down here.
| Courtney wrote: | | I could tell you about the preacher guy that was in Free Speech Alley on Wednesday and say that many conservatives are intolerant, though they "claim" to be tolerant. But I know that's not the case. |
That guy in the free speech alley made conservatives look bad. Really bad.
You guys! ... I mean, "y'all"! Each party has their extremists that make them look bad! Liberals and conservatives both!
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LEstay
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 7:14 pm
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| Courtney- wrote: | | What about extremists who bomb abortion clinics? I find them to be pretty intolerant. However, I don't make any attempt to use this as an attack on conservatives. |
Any time a group bombs an abortion clinic, the person responsible should be put in jail for it. Through personal experience (and it doesnt happen but less than 10% of the time I imagine/hope), when a conservative does something like this it's condemned, but when a liberal does something it's praised or condoned.
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MrTrunks
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 8:52 pm
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| lestay wrote: |
Any time a group bombs an abortion clinic, the person responsible should be put in jail for it. Through personal experience (and it doesnt happen but less than 10% of the time I imagine/hope), when a conservative does something like this it's condemned, but when a liberal does something it's praised or condoned. |
Umm, refresh me on democrat sponsored Bombing on US soil?
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Ichiban
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 11:53 pm
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| MrTrunks wrote: | | lestay wrote: |
Any time a group bombs an abortion clinic, the person responsible should be put in jail for it. Through personal experience (and it doesnt happen but less than 10% of the time I imagine/hope), when a conservative does something like this it's condemned, but when a liberal does something it's praised or condoned. |
Umm, refresh me on democrat sponsored Bombing on US soil? |
"something like this" means something violent, including vandalism... for an example, see Gemlikefire's reply a few jumps up.
thx.
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MrTrunks
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 12:09 am
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vandalism ~ violent ~ bomb.
I don’t think so.
Barging into some ones work place to deliver post cards, is not the same a killing a doctor.
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MrTrunks
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 12:11 am
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| gemlikeflame wrote: |
You guys! ... I mean, "y'all"! Each party has their extremists that make them look bad! Liberals and conservatives both! |
Play by the rules, liberal and conservative are not the political parties in the US.
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MrTrunks
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 12:17 am
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| gemlikeflame wrote: |
It's just that, from my personal experience (and I come from and extremely liberal city), the extreme liberals tend to vandalize/destroy more often. |
more often than who? Extreme conservatives? The Far-far-right? Who more than who?
More than the average non extreme person?
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AlanaMarie
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 5:07 pm
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| MrTrunks wrote: | vandalism ~ violent ~ bomb.
I don’t think so.
Barging into some ones work place to deliver post cards, is not the same a killing a doctor. |
I know killing a human being and keying a car are very separate things and, yes killing someone is a lot worse but look at the spirit behind these attacks. Most of the time it's to "prove a point" and it's done in a spirit of hatred. I agree that conservatives get a bad rap and frankly some deserve it; but, also look at what is done by the other side of the line. Yes i know Dems are not all intolerant but most that I have talked to/ heard from are. Just personal experience.
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Adam
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 5:21 pm
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| Courtney- wrote: | | What about extremists who bomb abortion clinics? I find them to be pretty intolerant. |
Only a liberal would imply that a baby-killer is more tolerant than a baby-killer-killer.
I'm not pro-bombing-of-abortion-clinics, but anytime that kind of thing happens, people like me make out like bandits. Baby-killers dying: plus. The arrests of gone-too-far fundamentalists who live to brainwash me and you: plus.
Abortion clinic bomings clearly are a win-win situation for society. If fundamentalist crazies are gonna kill somebody, it might as well be the people who have killed 40 million babies!
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LEstay
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 5:42 pm
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| Adam wrote: | | Courtney- wrote: | | What about extremists who bomb abortion clinics? I find them to be pretty intolerant. |
Only a liberal would imply that a baby-killer is more tolerant than a baby-killer-killer.
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That sounds like something I would say... or at least I wish I would have thought of. Very good point, Adam!
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Litigh8
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 11:01 pm
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| lestay wrote: | | Adam wrote: | | Courtney- wrote: | | What about extremists who bomb abortion clinics? I find them to be pretty intolerant. |
Only a liberal would imply that a baby-killer is more tolerant than a baby-killer-killer.
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That sounds like something I would say... or at least I wish I would have thought of. Very good point, Adam! |
Unfortunately (for your argument), the Supreme Court has not defined fetuses as babies. I'm not going to make an emotional argument and I'd prefer to not to argue it on any lines; no minds will be changed. But if you want to contend with me on legal grounds, come with it.
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LEstay
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Sun Oct 17, 2004 12:48 am
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| Litigh8 wrote: | | lestay wrote: | | Adam wrote: | | Courtney- wrote: | | What about extremists who bomb abortion clinics? I find them to be pretty intolerant. |
Only a liberal would imply that a baby-killer is more tolerant than a baby-killer-killer.
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That sounds like something I would say... or at least I wish I would have thought of. Very good point, Adam! |
Unfortunately (for your argument), the Supreme Court has not defined fetuses as babies. I'm not going to make an emotional argument and I'd prefer to not to argue it on any lines; no minds will be changed. But if you want to contend with me on legal grounds, come with it. |
Argue with you based on legality... heck no! I'd lose, and I admit it.
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