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rwnugent
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Sun Jan 30, 2005 11:23 am
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Cornell University website:http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases/Dec04/Muslim.Poll.bpf.html
| Quote: | In U.S., 44 Percent Say Restrict Muslims
By WILLIAM KATES, Associated Press Writer
ITHACA, N.Y. - Nearly half of all Americans believe the U.S. government should restrict the civil liberties of Muslim Americans, according to a nationwide poll.
The survey conducted by Cornell University also found that Republicans and people who described themselves as highly religious were more apt to support curtailing Muslims' civil liberties than Democrats or people who are less religious.
Researchers also found that respondents who paid more attention to television news were more likely to fear terrorist attacks and support limiting the rights of Muslim Americans.
"It's sad news. It's disturbing news. But it's not unpredictable," said Mahdi Bray, executive director of the Muslim American Society. "The nation is at war, even if it's not a traditional war. We just have to remain vigilant and continue to interface."
The survey found 44 percent favored at least some restrictions on the civil liberties of Muslim Americans. Forty-eight percent said liberties should not be restricted in any way.
The survey showed that 27 percent of respondents supported requiring all Muslim Americans to register where they lived with the federal government. Twenty-two percent favored racial profiling to identify potential terrorist threats. And 29 percent thought undercover agents should infiltrate Muslim civic and volunteer organizations to keep tabs on their activities and fund-raising.
Cornell student researchers questioned 715 people in the nationwide telephone poll conducted this fall. The margin of error was 3.6 percentage points.
James Shanahan, an associate professor of communications who helped organize the survey, said the results indicate "the need for continued dialogue about issues of civil liberties" in a time of war.
While researchers said they were not surprised by the overall level of support for curtailing civil liberties, they were startled by the correlation with religion and exposure to television news.
"We need to explore why these two very important channels of discourse may nurture fear rather than understanding," Shanahan said.
According to the survey, 37 percent believe a terrorist attack in the United States is still likely within the next 12 months. In a similar poll conducted by Cornell in November 2002, that number stood at 90 percent. |
I for one do not believe that the government should be allowed to treat any American citizen differently because of their religious beliefs. If we begin to allow the government to infringe on the rights of Muslims then whats to stop them from infringing on the rights of any other American citizen. This country was built on the principle that all men (and women) were created equal and many wars have been fought and many men and women have died protecting that principle. If we start allowing outr government to strip away the rights protected by the constitution then the terrorists are winning. We may have to endure a little less security from immediate attacks but in the end we will still have our constitutionally guaranteed freedoms. Without those freedoms then we will be a nation just liuke the nations that spawn these terrorists.
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Sunny
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Sun Jan 30, 2005 12:31 pm
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Not all Muslims are terrorist, however, all the terrorists have been muslims.
Restrict their Civil Liberties, no. Scrutinize them more, yes.
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LEstay
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I agree with Sunny. If its Middle Eastern people that are the terrorists, then screen them at the airport more heavily, not some 8 year old kid with a Gameboy in one hand and a teddy bear in the other. When was there an 8 year old kid that made a bomb? Only those in Middle Eastern countries.
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MrTrunks
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I think you are missing the point of the article. The point is not should we limit civil liberties, use racial profiling, or the other things suggested. The point is that of the article was
“Nearly half of all Americans believe the U.S. government should restrict the civil liberties of Muslim Americans, according to a nationwide poll.”
And this is directly correlated to:
“…they were startled by the correlation with religion and exposure to television news.
"We need to explore why these two very important channels of discourse may nurture fear rather than understanding," Shanahan said.”
Religion and TV news are encouraging a climate of fear and distrust, and most important to me that people think its ok to impose on other citizens freedoms.
The 29% that think that agents should infiltrate organizations, do they not remember that the WTC van bomb was made by an FBI informant who was encouraged to infiltrate and keep taps? How soon people forget.
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lsugroovychlck
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This is how I see it...
Not all white people are KKK members or white supremicists
Not all Germans are Nazis
Not all black people are stupid and ignorant
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Therefore, not all muslims are terrorists.
HOWEVER, I think that if they are Muslim-American they should be treated the same way as any other American, but if they should be an immigrant who has not aquired citizenship, they should be registered with the American government for security purposes. This doesn't go for just muslims though (IMHO), maybe for all foriegners no matter their country of citizenship.
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willie
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| Sunny wrote: | | Not all Muslims are terrorist, however, all the terrorists have been muslims. |
Wasn't there an incident in Oklahoma City a few years ago involving a non-Muslim terrorist?
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rwnugent
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Ok think about it this way. During World War II Japanese Americans were placed in concentration camps (yes they were concentration camps think about the definition of concentration camp). Yes we were at war with Japan. We were also at war with Germany and Italy. Why did we only discriminate against those of Japanese descent? Well let's see. The Japanese are a people of brownish skin color aren't they. People of German and Italian descent are decidedly caucasian in skin colr aren't they. I think that if this were the Irish Republican Army executing these terrorists attacks there would be a lot less lobbying to infringe on the civil liberties of Irish Americans.
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TheDude
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Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:32 am
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| rwnugent wrote: | | During World War II Japanese Americans were placed in concentration camps (yes they were concentration camps think about the definition of concentration camp). Yes we were at war with Japan. We were also at war with Germany and Italy. Why did we only discriminate against those of Japanese descent? |
1) I agree completely that Muslims should not be harassed, but you are also talking about something that occurred DECADES ago that is of little comparison to what is happening in today's world...
2) I won't get in an argument with you over the merits of your comments above, but others do hold a contrary view... "56% of all internees (14,426 of 25,655) were Europeans and European Americans--Germans, Italians, Hungarians, Romanians, Bulgarians, even several Czechs and Poles."
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Adam
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Mon Jan 31, 2005 1:48 pm
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The issue isn't religious beliefs, and we all know it; it's physical appearance. If I'm a muslim and I'm wearing a 49ers t-shirt and jeans, nobody knows it. If I'm a Christian with brown skin and a towel over my head, everybody at the airport thinks "terrorism" within 4 seconds. Fact is, there are a lot of similar crimes committed by people who happen to dress alike and have the same color skin. That makes everybody fitting that description, to some extent, a suspect. Suspicion is not the same as limiting someone's civil liberties.
The people in this poll who believe we should limit Muslims' CL's are either a) mislead by the poll or b) dumb. Or both.
Nothing wrong with a little honest and cautious suspiction. Limiting civil liberties, that's another thing....
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PhatLipMagee
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| Quote: | | 2) I won't get in an argument with you over the merits of your comments above, but others do hold a contrary view... "56% of all internees (14,426 of 25,655) were Europeans and European Americans--Germans, Italians, Hungarians, Romanians, Bulgarians, even several Czechs and Poles." |
I learned this recently as well. It is amazing how much is left out of our educational texts. When I was in school, I learned of the Japanese being moved to concentration camps. But heard nothing of the others.
I believe the "others" petitioned for reparations after the Japanese-Americans got theirs. But were denied. I don't know the specifics though.
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rwnugent
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I never new of the European American internments. From what I can gather from the information on that site the internments were limited to aliens and other non-citizens. I thought that the signifigance of the Japanese-American internment was that all people of Japanese descent were incarcerated regardless of their citizenship status.
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| TheDude wrote: | | 1) I agree completely that Muslims should not be harassed, but you are also talking about something that occurred DECADES ago that is of little comparison to what is happening in today's world... |
It could easily happen again if we sit back and allow it. I think that the actions and beliefs of some of those in power right now in this country could very well lead to many infringements of civil liberties of not only Muslims but any other citizens of this country if we aren't vigilant. I don't think that the detainees at Guantanamo Bay are entitled to the same rights as American citizens though. I think they should be declared as Prisoners of War and afforded the protections of the Geneva Convention rules. I don't think that Donald Rumsfeld or John Ashcroft should be allowed to assign special status to certain people when they want to circumvent the rules of the constitution and various treaties.
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patt
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ok i dont think we should withhold civil liberties becouse someone is a muslam,there are good muslams and bad ones.now all educated muslams will tell you that they love the u.s. and they love americam culture and shit like that,its the uneducated and extreamest muslams that dont get the point.i beleave that the goventment should look into new muslams comeing into the u.s.,look at there backround,family,and ties,both finantial and political.but to say that all muslams should have some of there rights taken away is just raceism.
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patt
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hey rwnugent,you make some good points,i think i like you.and you whats strange,i heard you say you were a democrat in some other post or forum,its kinda funny couse im a republican and we see most of the same views on certain subjects.i dunno i just thought that was kinda funny.
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Soyuz
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Not quite true...
One fast example Carlos The Jackal.
Soyuz
| Sunny wrote: | Not all Muslims are terrorist, however, all the terrorists have been muslims.
Restrict their Civil Liberties, no. Scrutinize them more, yes. |
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