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rwnugent
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Wed Feb 02, 2005 3:01 pm
Post subject: Roe v. Wade. Right or wrong? |
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I just read the TigerWeekly article entitled 'Pregnancies, pills, and protest". I wanted to see how most of you feel about a woman's right to have an abortion. Personally I don't beleive in abortion just because your boyfriend was too cheap to buy condoms or too stupid to pull out. However I do beleive that woman should have the right to have an abortion if she is raped or if the pregnancy or birth process will injure or kill her. Also what about the new Plan B or "morning after" pill? It is used almost immediately after sex and before you know for sure whether or not you are pregnant. Does that even really count as an abortion? If abortion is once again outlawed (as is expected to happen if Bush gets to fill another Supreme Court seat) should the Plan B pill still be legal?
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LEstay
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Wed Feb 02, 2005 3:32 pm
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I dont think the morning after pill is abortion because it prevents conception and does not kill the fetus. I believe if anything prevents and does not kill, then it's okay.
That's my belief and I'm stickin to it!
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Earl
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Wed Feb 02, 2005 11:00 pm
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| LEstay wrote: | I dont think the morning after pill is abortion because it prevents conception and does not kill the fetus. I believe if anything prevents and does not kill, then it's okay.
That's my belief and I'm stickin to it! |
Not a true bapist opinion eh Landon?
I will take a staunch conservative opinion on this issue. Abortion is morally wrong in all counts unless the mother's life is in jeopardy. You can bring whatever you want into this debate but I shall shoot the other argument down with a counter-attack offense.
Feminist opinion of a woman's right to choose:
Probably the most overused, overplayed, and over-dramatized support for abortion. Just because women can birth a child, does NOT mean they own that child or that fetus for that matter. Little do people realize that the male, who had everything to do with the pregnancy, should have a right in the say or what happens to that baby and/or fetus. Because the male had a part in the creation of the baby and/or fetus, he has as much right as the woman does to have equal decision in what happens to that child, who cares if it is physically attached to the woman? It wouldn't be there if a man wasn't there to create it.
Rapage?
Also, an overplayed support. A woman is going to kill something that was brought into this world just because she was raped when the baby was created? I mean, sure it sounds normal, however, the problem is not with the innocent child, the problem is within the psychological state of the woman. If she seeks counselling about how it happened, she is likely not to feel as bad as she did and less likely to terminate the pregnancy. I see no problem carrying the baby out to term and giving up the baby for adoption, adoption is ALWAYS an option. This way, if the mother feels resentment for the child, there is a way out.
Morning After?
This is really not based on any fact other than my own belief, but I believe the soul enters the body of the child AT contraception, therefore, I am not a believer in the morning after pill
Reasons for Abortion?
Well, I think women that have abortions often are selfish, if not raped (women that are raped: often disoriented and not able to make normal decisions after a rape occurence). I have seen the reactions of a lot of women when the find out they are pregnant; they act as if it's an inconvienence and then want to terminate it because it will interfer with their lives. Well, to bad they made the decision to have sex, now they should deal with it. Part of being an adult is being able to make decisions, understand and take the consequences, not evade the consquences.
The one question I do raise, Is it selfish to take a babies life instead of sacrificing your own? I would say yes, however, it's for survival, we are animals and our instinct is survival, therefore it is alomst justifiable. When you think about this, it's a philosophical question: Assuming that there is a god, which would be the path of righteousness, taking a new life or giving your own?
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MrTrunks
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Wed Feb 02, 2005 11:34 pm
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| Earl wrote: |
Abortion is morally wrong in all counts unless the mother's life is in jeopardy. |
Morally wrong? Laws are not made solely on morality. And different people have different moral codes?
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Probably the most overused, overplayed, and over-dramatized support for abortion. Just because women can birth a child, does NOT mean they own that child or that fetus for that matter. Little do people realize that the male, who had everything to do with the pregnancy, should have a right in the say or what happens to that baby and/or fetus. Because the male had a part in the creation of the baby and/or fetus, he has as much right as the woman does to have equal decision in what happens to that child, who cares if it is physically attached to the woman? It wouldn't be there if a man wasn't there to create it.
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This whole paragraph is rhetoric because as you are not addressing your main issue, should abortion be illegal. If anything you are suggesting that the other partner have some say in the issue of receiving a legal abortion? What I thought you were arguing against abortion, not for both partners to have a say in it?
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Also, an overplayed support. A woman is going to kill something that was brought into this world just because she was raped when the baby was created? I mean, sure it sounds normal, however, the problem is not with the innocent child, the problem is within the psychological state of the woman. If she seeks counselling about how it happened, she is likely not to feel as bad as she did and less likely to terminate the pregnancy. I see no problem carrying the baby out to term and giving up the baby for adoption, adoption is ALWAYS an option. This way, if the mother feels resentment for the child, there is a way out.
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I honestly know if you have ever been around a pregnant woman before for any extended period of time, but from my experience that at least for some part of the pregnancy it may be nearly imposable for the woman to care for her self, let alone others. Adoption may not be an option in this case. The government does not necessarily supply enough support to care for woman in this condition.
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This is really not based on any fact other than my own belief, but I believe the soul enters the body of the child AT contraception, therefore, I am not a believer in the morning after pill
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It’s a pretty weak argument to say I think something should be law because I believe it.
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...Part of being an adult is being able to make decisions, understand and take the consequences, not evade the consquences.
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Are you suggesting that children should be allowed to have abortions, but not adults? Or that people that are unable to make adult decisions should have a special clause out. You mentioned rape as being a possible excusable trama, what about the mentally retarded, or the emotionally incompetent?
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The one question I do raise, Is it selfish to take a babies life instead of sacrificing your own?
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This is just an extension of life begins at conception.
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I would say yes, however, it's for survival, we are animals and our instinct is survival, therefore it is alomst justifiable.
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this is rhetoric, your trying to confuse people as animals. And it does not help your argument.
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When you think about this, it's a philosophical question: Assuming that there is a god, which would be the path of righteousness, taking a new life or giving your own? |
Laws should not be written on the context, ‘Assuming that there is a god ‘.
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Earl
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Thu Feb 03, 2005 12:39 am
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| Quote: | | Morally wrong? Laws are not made solely on morality. And different people have different moral codes? |
Actually most law is basely on moral code, take our government for example, being based on Judeo-Christian beliefs.
| Quote: | | Probably the most overused, overplayed, and over-dramatized support for abortion. Just because women can birth a child, does NOT mean they own that child or that fetus for that matter. Little do people realize that the male, who had everything to do with the pregnancy, should have a right in the say or what happens to that baby and/or fetus. Because the male had a part in the creation of the baby and/or fetus, he has as much right as the woman does to have equal decision in what happens to that child, who cares if it is physically attached to the woman? It wouldn't be there if a man wasn't there to create it. |
My point is that the argument involving feminism, does not hold due to the fact that the baby wasn't solely created by the woman, so it really isn't question of a "Woman's right to choose," because it isn't only the woman involved. This point wasn't intended to argue for or against abortion but to point out the other sides view involving a Woman's right to choose is a load of crap.
| Quote: | | I honestly know if you have ever been around a pregnant woman before for any extended period of time, but from my experience that at least for some part of the pregnancy it may be nearly imposable for the woman to care for her self, let alone others. Adoption may not be an option in this case. The government does not necessarily supply enough support to care for woman in this condition. |
Good point, but the solution is not abortion....
| Quote: | This is really not based on any fact other than my own belief, but I believe the soul enters the body of the child AT contraception, therefore, I am not a believer in the morning after pill
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| Quote: | | It’s a pretty weak argument to say I think something should be law because I believe it. |
Agreed, however, I just thought I'd put that in as an opinion, a feeling, not a point, its my intuition ok, even if There is no argument here, I just wanted to state my beliefs.
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...Part of being an adult is being able to make decisions, understand and take the consequences, not evade the consquences.
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| Quote: | | Are you suggesting that children should be allowed to have abortions, but not adults? Or that people that are unable to make adult decisions should have a special clause out. You mentioned rape as being a possible excusable trama, what about the mentally retarded, or the emotionally incompetent? |
No, once again you misunderstood what I stated. Adults should make ADULT DECISIONS and DEAL with the CONSQUENCES. I did not mention children anywhere in there. Mentally retarded, I forgot about that, good point!
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The one question I do raise, Is it selfish to take a babies life instead of sacrificing your own?
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Actually I wanted to see what people felt about this question.
| Quote: | | I would say yes, however, it's for survival, we are animals and our instinct is survival, therefore it is alomst justifiable. |
| Quote: | | this is rhetoric, your trying to confuse people as animals. And it does not help your argument. |
No one knows Anthropology these days, We ARE animals, and we ARE instinctive, look at the fossil record.
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| Quote: | | When you think about this, it's a philosophical question: Assuming that there is a god, which would be the path of righteousness, taking a new life or giving your own? |
| Quote: | | Laws should not be written on the context, ‘Assuming that there is a god ‘. |
I wasn't talking about Law and God, I was just raising a question....
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MrTrunks
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Thu Feb 03, 2005 4:35 pm
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| earl wrote: | | "You can bring whatever you want into this debate but I shall shoot the other argument down with a counter-attack offense. " |
Just noticing that most of your offence was an attempt to confuse the issue, not discuses it.
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Earl
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Thu Feb 03, 2005 4:55 pm
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| MrTrunks wrote: | | earl wrote: | | "You can bring whatever you want into this debate but I shall shoot the other argument down with a counter-attack offense. " |
Just noticing that most of your offence was an attempt to confuse the issue, not discuses it. |
Not really just raise some questions about it as well as shoot some of the most annoying arguements down.
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RzhayutikBeetle
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Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:49 am
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Abortion kills.
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bullhorn
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Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:54 pm
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A woman who is raped has a chance of becoming pregnant and if she is not a Christian I can see a non believer taking a morning after pill. I would not even hold it against a believer to tell you the truth. Most abortion happen after 7 weeks when the brain is forming so the baby does feel it. I have seen a video on youtube called silent scream. It shows a 3 month old fetus trying to dodge the murder weapon. His heart rate goes from 140 to 200. As the suction device on this video in ultrasound reveals that the baby screams as it is chewed up. It is sad and if any of the LSU girls are thinking about this, I would suggest you view this video before doing this.
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bullhorn
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Fri Jun 13, 2008 5:42 pm
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A woman who is raped has a chance of becoming pregnant and if she is not a Christian I can see a non believer taking a morning after pill. I would not even hold it against a believer to tell you the truth. Most abortion happen after 7 weeks when the brain is forming so the baby does feel it. I have seen a video on youtube called silent scream. It shows a 3 month old fetus trying to dodge the murder weapon. His heart rate goes from 140 to 200. As the suction device on this video in ultrasound reveals that the baby screams as it is chewed up. It is sad and if any of the LSU girls are thinking about this, I would suggest you view this video before doing this.
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RzhayutikBeetle
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Every minute preborn child in America gets murdered.
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