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Earl
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 6:20 pm
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| PhatLipMagee wrote: | blahblahblah...
bitchpissmoan...
Get a life...
and fuck the greens...I'm sorry I ever voted for any of their candidates.
Won't happen again. |
LOL! hahahaha
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LEstay
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 8:50 pm
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If you put every freakin minor party on a debate, it would take FOREVER! The Greens, the Libertarians, the Constitutions, the Socialists, Prohibition, Protecting Families, Better Life, and every independent candidate. (Those are just the minor parties I could remember from the Presidential election)
The reason why they dont allow same day registration/voting is because of voter fraud. I can say, "Yeah the guy that voted before that looked like me was my twin brother." It's sad to say, though, that dead people vote in Louisiana.
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DuckMedic
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As a us soldier in afganisatan and witness to the Afgan election, i can say democracy has begining to take root. If you could see the faces of people here as went to vote.. It was truly a historic moment.. I still have locals when talk to me , show me there voter card. From my friends in Iraq, i heard the same good things. It makes proud to be a us solider and gives some meaning to our sacfice.. As for the auther of this thread you need to understand there is no ivy tower, no perfect world, but have a bit optimism. We are winning in the cause of freedom, but it is just one battle in a long war ahead. As one of all great statemen BEN franklin said after he was asked what kinda country we had--" A republic if you can keep it" No truer word could be said about afganistan and iraq democracys.. We will give them the tool, but really it up to them.. May all the people of the book live in freedom under God.. 
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LEstay
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Sat Feb 05, 2005 7:51 am
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I love it when soldiers give their opinions. Thanks for your service!
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lsuhockey4
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Sat Feb 05, 2005 11:11 am
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As the descendent of a long military family tradition, many of whom fought in vain, I would have to say you are the one who is dreaming of Ivory Towers. Did you actually wake up one morning and decide that you wanted to spread freedom by joining the military? Spreading freedom and democracy at the barrel of a gun does not work. You are not a "liberator." You are not a "peacekeeper." You are a hired killer. Soldiers were intended only to be used for the common defense of this country. For that purpose I proudly salute all soldiers. For any other purpose I don't wish to see soldiers leave our shores. However, unfortunately soldiers have long been used as just a cog in the wheel of empire. Alexander "the Great" and many Caesars told their soldiers that they were winning in the cause of bringing civilization to barbaric cultures. Your government does not care if you die in their goal of spreading their interventionalist politics. As a reward for your service, Bush has cut veteran funding. The long war ahead? Why? The United States has no obligations to any nation but its self. To quote former President Thomas Jefferson "I have seen enough of one war never to wish to see another. My views and feelings (are) in favor of the abolition of war--and I hope it is practicable, by improving the mind and morals of society, to lessen the disposition to war; but of its abolition I despair."
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rwnugent
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Sat Feb 05, 2005 11:26 am
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Look dude. I don't like a war anymore than you do, but calling our troops "hired killers" is going to far. Not only are they following orders and doing a job that they swore to do but Howard (duckmedic) is well a medic. He's the one that tries to keep others from dying. I don't know him really well or what exactly he has done over there but I doubt he has done much killing, probably more saving if anything.
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LEstay
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Sat Feb 05, 2005 5:42 pm
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Come on, Howard is risking his life so your ass can say what you just said. You can show a little appreciation somehow.
"War has solved NOTHING!" (except ending slavery, communism, naziism, and fascism)
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DuckMedic
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Sat Feb 05, 2005 6:54 pm
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And to quote onther president, John F Kennedy, "We dare not forget today that we are the heirs of that first revolution. Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans--born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage--and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world.
Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, to assure the survival and the success of liberty"
Because of america's "hired killer" as you call them , germany, france, japan, and South Korea are free. And Iraq is on it way toward a elected goverment and afganistan has one. I glad you have never had to know the hardship of war or it burden. To see masscal or worrying that friends might not be coming back. To give up our lifes at home, time from our loved ones and time that we will never get back. This is our Gift to you.
The chance to say what you want without prison, the right vote without gunfire, the chance to belive what you want and share it, and right to pusue happyness. Iam a solider i have code of conduct and do not kill but in my own defence or when nessary in war. Iam also medic bound by it code to treat the wounded, no ,matter who they are. What other country troops would spend time, money, effort, to save those who were trying to kill us moments before. I seen it. I seen the schools we built, the roads we buit, and joy in which only comes from freedom. I also be on the recive in of gunfire/rockets and seen the destuction what war can do.
War is hell, but nessary sometimes. I hope you never have to see it.
We must stop terrorism just like we stop commiusm, and naizism..
Or as anther president said "They say the world has become too complex for simple answers. They are wrong. There are no easy answers, but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right. Winston Churchill said that "the destiny of man is not measured by material computation. When great forces are on the move in the world, we learn we are spirits--not animals." And he said, "There is something going on in time and space, and beyond time and space, which, whether we like it or not, spells duty."
You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We will preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on earth, or we will sentence them to take the first step into a thousand years of darkness. If we fail, at least let our children and our children's children say of us we justified our brief moment here. We did all that could be done." Ronald Reagan
Oh by the way get you facts right, My VA beafits have gone up in the last 4 years. GI will pay out more and heath befits are better plus are death fund just went up. Just because we don't get evrything we want does'nt mean we are forgoten.
Cpl Howard Bushey
Combat medic
OEF 5, FOB tiger afganistan
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lsuhockey4
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Sat Feb 05, 2005 8:52 pm
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JFK failures in foreign policy to "assure the survival and the success of liberty": Cuba, Vietnam, Congo, Germany (thats right Germany, after he met with Khrushchev the Soviets built the Berlin Wall). Furthermore, I reiterate, we have no obligations to anyone but to ourselves. The only survival and success of liberty we need to assure is our own. Our liberties are in decline and we should give our own people the liberties they deserve before going abroad. All the worry that you and my family has gone through over things going on in far off lands has been completely uneccessary. This worry has been various presidents' "gifts" to our nation. Terrorism IS NOT AN IDEOLOGY, it is NOT A FORM OF GOVERNMENT, terrorism is a tactic. Attacking Islamic nations will only spread terrorism not defeat it. You cannot defeat terrorism because anyone can use it at anytime. I say again: Nazism, Communism, Theocracy, and Fascism are not our responsibility to end. War does not end these things because they are ideas, just like the republic is our idea. Not to mention that the United States supports currently and has always supported oppressive regimes worldwide.
Reagan: How dare you quote Reagan? Reaganomics? Ronald Reagan=Butcher of Latin America, Reagan=closer of mental hospitals, War on Drugs (Horrible utter complete failure), Increased the Federal Government, Iran-Contra affair, Supported Afghanistan against Soviets and essentially trains Osama Bin Laden.
Please correct me if what these people claim is wrong: http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0328-11.htm
http://www.futurenet.org/article.asp?id=613
http://www.vaiw.org/vet/modules.php?op=mod load&name=News&file=article&sid=59
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/Dishonorable_discharge_112603.htm
I do support our troops and not just the white ones like the great leaders in the "party of inclusion" How do I support them? I seemingly uselessly write my congresspersons and demand that they give introduce legislation that gives our veterans more. I demand that they give our veterans more for the atrocities of war that the congress (until Bush broke constitutional law and declared war) have forced our veterans to go through.
Back on task: BBC News reports today that some of the Sunnis who did not boycott and tried to vote were denied.
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MrTrunks
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Sun Feb 06, 2005 8:32 pm
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From the last story listed?
In perhaps its most dangerous policy, the White House is refusing to provide more than 40,000 active-duty troops in Iraq with Kevlar body armor, leaving it up to them and their families to buy this life-saving equipment. This last bit of penny-pinching prompted Pentagon critic and Vietnam veteran Col. David Hackworth to point to “the cost of the extraordinary security” during Bush’s recent trip to Asia, which he noted grimly “would cover a vest for every soldier” in Iraq.
How much does this armor cost?
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Sunny
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Mon Feb 07, 2005 12:28 pm
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| lsuhockey4 wrote: | | (until Bush broke constitutional law and declared war) |
please explain?
| MrTrunks wrote: | From the last story listed?
In perhaps its most dangerous policy, the White House is refusing to provide more than 40,000 active-duty troops in Iraq with Kevlar body armor, leaving it up to them and their families to buy this life-saving equipment. This last bit of penny-pinching prompted Pentagon critic and Vietnam veteran Col. David Hackworth to point to “the cost of the extraordinary security” during Bush’s recent trip to Asia, which he noted grimly “would cover a vest for every soldier” in Iraq.
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It doesn't matter, hackworkth is fulla shit bush put the funding measure up twice and the dems killed it both time.
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lsuhockey4
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Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:38 am
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First of all I never said that the 78 million who didn't vote were protesting. Second of all those people were not given "every option" to vote for my candidate as David Cobb was not given ballot access in every state. Ballot access is hard to attain on purpose as a preventive measure set up by the two corporate parties to hinder competition in elections. As for not being allowed in the debates it is corporate america that has denied access to third party candidates. The Commission for Presidential Debates has always been corporate controlled and allows only the Democrats and Republicans. This is a direct violation of their by-laws as the commission is suppose to be non-partisan. Both the Libertarian and Green candidates were arrested for trying to attend the St. Louis "debate" after being denied the right to debate. Michael Badnarik and David Cobb are both constitutional scholars and lawyers which I think makes them far more qualified than Bush or Kerry to correctly enforce the laws of this country. As for voting Greens turn out a higher percentage of their registered voters than any other party. We don't sit on our couches. We are also mobilizing as the Green Party is the fastest growing party in the United States.
News from Iraq: 300 ballot boxes need to be recounted that arrived from unknown places thus delaying the outcome of the elections.
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LEstay
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Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:53 am
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| lsuhockey4 wrote: | | The Commission for Presidential Debates has always been corporate controlled and allows only the Democrats and Republicans. |
I seem to remember when Ross Perot was involved in debates.
| lsuhockey4 wrote: | | This is a direct violation of their by-laws as the commission is suppose to be non-partisan. Both the Libertarian and Green candidates were arrested for trying to attend the St. Louis "debate" after being denied the right to debate. |
Right? Where is there right to debate? I think it's made up just like the right to privacy and rights to abortion.
Look, if we let every Tom, Dick, and Harry run for President, the ballot would be freakin long, and so would the debates. Thats why the commission has the 5% rule (I think its 5%, if not please correct me POLITELY).
| lsuhockey4 wrote: | | News from Iraq: 300 ballot boxes need to be recounted that arrived from unknown places thus delaying the outcome of the elections. |
300 out of how many? Thousands? Ten thousands? That doesn't sound too bad to me. Everyone knew it wouldn't be perfect.
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lsuhockey4
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Wed Feb 09, 2005 1:59 pm
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Ross Perot was rich enough to buy his way into the debates in 1992. He did not debate in 1996. Before Perot in 1992 and the CPD's takeover of presidential debates in 1987 (The newly created CPD was and still is headed by former heads of the Democratic and Republican Conventions) only John Anderson participated in one debate in 1980. He only got to debate Reagan because Jimmy Carter refused to debate Anderson. The only rule keeping third parties out of the debates was adopted by the CPD that states that you must be perceived to have a level of support from the national electorate of 15 percent (not 5) as judged by five selected national public opinion polling organizations. Jesse Jackson Jr. proposed legislation that would have made the support level 5 percent down from the 15 percent in 2001. Mr. Jackson Jr. also supported allowing third party candidates in the debates if the majority of respondents in public opinion polls supported the addition of third party candidates. To read the proposed bill that was shut down:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c107:H.CON.RES.263:
I agree the the number of ballot boxes is small, but I had to put something on topic.
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lsuhockey4
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Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:40 pm
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Also a comment I failed to see earlier I will now address. I said Bush broke constitutional law with the invasion of Iraq. Article I, Section 8, Clause 11 of the United States Constitution states that: The Congress shall have the power to declare war. The president is the comander-in-chief of the armed forces and has the power to execute war, but has no power to make war. Congress passed no formal declaration of war thus making the act of Bush unconstitutional. The fact that the Congress rolled over does not make the act of Bush any less wrong.
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