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LEstay
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LSUGraduate2002
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Stupid policy. People that are that easily offended need to go live in a bubble or something. Of the "nicknames" that are affected the only ones that I think could use a change were the Savages and maybe the "Fighting Sioux". I hope the Seminole fans raise hell over this and get it overturned.
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MrTrunks
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Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:55 pm
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"Colleges and universities may adopt any mascot that they wish, as that is an institutional matter," said Walter Harrison, chair of the Executive Committee and president at the University of Hartford. "But as a national association, we believe that mascots, nicknames or images deemed hostile or abusive in terms of race, ethnicity or national origin should not be visible at the championship events that we control."
They should just use school name in that case. like in model UN I reped, Djibouti. Every other country would get called on by its name. Djibouti was called my by my first name.
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Tiger_Vixen
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I come from the Anacoco Indians.
BFD, people need to get over it. Next thing you know we'll have the animal rights activists trying to repeal all the animal mascots. It can be argued that it's not discriminative at all, seeing as most schools take PRIDE in their school, and as such their mascot as well.
They're in no way insulting the race. THe opposing teams are, and if you want to take it that far then they should pass an ordinance ruling agains insulting opposing teams with certain mascots. Of course it wouldn't stop there, because if they were prohibited to retaliate against their opposers, than an addition would be made that the team with the mascot couldn't instigate, and then NO TEAMS, reguardless of mascots, would be allowed to verbally (or any other way for that matter) harass the team.
Which would take some of the fun away from being in the crowds, and being fans.
Dissapoint the fans you ruin the profits, without profits you can't pay the players, and thus cease to have a sport.
It's a wide spiral down the tube, but it's headed in that general direction. And although my conclusions are very extreme, they're likely if only in a lesser degree
IN SHORT- People are *ucking dumb.
I know, not a big surprise to anyone who's ever talked to someone else.
*sigh*
Later
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rwnugent
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Sun Aug 07, 2005 4:45 pm
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| Tiger_Vixen wrote: | | ruin the prophets, without prophets you can't pay the players |
I guess pagan prophets bring gifts of money instead of enlightenment. lol j/k couldn't help but have a little fun with that.
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Tiger_Vixen
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Sun Aug 07, 2005 9:32 pm
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lol, laugh away-
I wasn't paying attention- sorries.
Later
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Adam
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Mon Aug 08, 2005 9:53 pm
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| LEstay wrote: | What's with this new regulation that schools cant use Indian names or references anymore? Doesn't this sound ridiculous? I emailed the guy at the link below to express my disapproval.
Email the idiots at NCAA:
http://www.ncaa.org/cgi-bin/staffmailform2.pl?id=bfranklin@ncaa.org&name=Bernard+Franklin
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http://www2.ncaa.org/media_and_events/press_room/2005/august/20050805_exec_comm_rls.html |
Goo d policy, and a good start in terms of making colleges actually be smart.
"Indians"--it isn't politically incorrect; it's just incorrect. The people to whom that term refers are not Indians; they're many things, just not Indians. Any college who shows people such little respect is a joke of an institution (ULM). Get rid of "Indians."
"Redskins"--for a nickname to be indicative of the color of a people's skin is more racist than anything so tolerated. It's a dumb name. Miami (OH) changed their name to "Red Hawks" because they're not morons. Only the Washington NFL franchise, to my knowledge, has the nickname. Get rid of "Redskins."
"Seminoles," "Sioux," "Chickasaws," "Hurons," etc.--gray area. The Seminole Tribe of Florida has written a statement in support of FSU's use of the moniker; other Seminole Tribes in neighboring states are offended. Go figure. Eastern Michigan changed their name from "Hurons" to "Eagles," but in response to no Native American protest. Go figure. The Caucasian equivalent of these names would be "Irish," "Orangemen" (Dutch reference recently changed to "Orange" in order to avoid confusion with the understanding of "Orangemen" as an Irish stereotype), and maybe things like Sooners, Hoosiers, Rebels, etc. I'm on the fence with these.
"Chiefs," "Braves," "Warriors"--These are parallel to "Kings," "Knights," "Volunteers," "Cadets," and so on. These are by no means offensive and should be left alone.
So colleges can't use Native American names for the postseason. THIS IS FAIR. The NCAA foots the bill for the NCAA Tournament, and that means they get to make the rules. All postseason matches are invitational and not required, so any school may choose to decline an invitation to the postseason. If there's a dance, and I'm the sponsor, the dancers do as I say. The NCAA is not stepping out of bounds here, and they're doing the right thing.
I've noticed all the people doing the bitching are the ones in favor of the Native American names. Go figure.
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Tiger_Vixen
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Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:49 am
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But Adam,
How is it offensive?
Naming a team, a team you have pride in, after a tribe should not be found offensive. After all, as I stated earlier, people take pride in their teams, and their names. It should be more of a compliment, imo.
Later,
Vix
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Adam
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Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:25 pm
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| Tiger_Vixen wrote: | But Adam,
How is it offensive?
Naming a team, a team you have pride in, after a tribe should not be found offensive. After all, as I stated earlier, people take pride in their teams, and their names. It should be more of a compliment, imo.
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Pride in your school is great. Pride in your school by means of using the name of the people whom your recent ancestors raped and pillaged can be viewed, reasonably, as offensive by some. Again, this is all ironic because many, if not most, Native Americans are not offended by any of this stuff.
That's why I'm not sure if "Seminoles" is inherently disrespectful. The Seminole Tribe of FL is ok with it, and for good reason. Other Seminole Tribes aren't ok with it. Maybe those Seminole Tribes were treated poorly by white settlers a long time ago; maybe their sacred lands are now shopping malls. I can understand that, if that's the case.
I do see it as arrogant and stupid for state institutions, chartered by whites in the times of Native American oppression, to name their mascots after the people they massacred. That is racist, and there are some people of Native American descent who pay taxes for these institutions. That should not be.
Again, I only want to get rid of "Indians," "Redskins," and "Savages," and there is no good reason why we shouldn't. Anyone who is attached to any of these names (Moon Griffon) is, to that extent, racist.
LEstay, what if you were the chancellor of Mississippi State in 1964, and somebody asked you to change your school's nickname from "Maroons" to something else on account that a Maroon was an escaped slave? What would you do?
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BenKenobi
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Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:51 pm
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Well hell.. I say we go the opposite direction.. bring in even more offensive mascots
Colorado Crackers?
Washington Whiteys?
St. Louis Spics?
Devner Dagos?
New York fine upstanding African Americans? (-edit- damn! beat by my own filters!)
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Tiger_Vixen
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As far as my ancestors raping and pilliaging, etc... they didn't do that. My ancestors were abused, discriminated against, rapped, and killed in large quanities during the second world war.... I didn't do a damn thing to the Native Americans. And even if my ancestors did I DIDN'T. It has NOTHING to do with me, no matter what name we have on our sports team.
Did you know that a healthy percentage of my hometown are Native Americans.....
They don't find it offensive. I think everyone's trying to be a little to PC, and dregging up shit that doesn't need to be.
If it offends them and they want it removed, fine. That's what so great about America- you're allowed to do it. Make a motion, vote on it, and try to change it.
I personally don't see the big deal, and don't tell me I don't know about racists or discrimination because I do, and I respect other nationalities as well as life choices.
Maybe because I don't see it as insulting like you do I don't reconginze the severity of the issue. *shrugs* I'm also kinda on Kenobi's side- sounds great babes.
Later,
Vix
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MrTrunks
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Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:16 am
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| Tiger_Vixen wrote: |
Did you know that a healthy percentage of my hometown are Native Americans.....
They don't find it offensive. ...
I personally don't see the big deal, and don't tell me I don't know about racists or discrimination because I do, and I respect other nationalities as well as life choices.
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Just because the group that it is “about” does not find it offensive, in no way makes it all right.
I would still say you don’t recognize our culture of discrimination based on this statement. Or at least you don’t recognize it the way I do, which is easy to agree we don’t have the same point of view.
The intention of actions like this is to remove all racial hostilities from our culture. Its very “1984” like. If you destroy the vocabulary of hate…
It is an idea that the very attitude of using racial icons promotes racism. I don’t think that’s far fetched. Given that you seem jaded and accepting of others attitudes. How to be tolerant of others when others are intolerant.
I hope that makes some sense. For example, in my home town the KKK likes to have parties and adopt the highways. Other people are not really happy about this. Young people have fist fights with the clan members, older folks protest and go to town hall meetings. In another city I lived in people kind of had this it is just better to ignore them folks attitude. Did that make the people in the second town racists, no. Did it make them tolerant of racism, maybe. Did it allow community to continue on with some discriminatory practices, well that a fair question.
On a side not I like to bring up Louisiana once elected David Duke as a state representative.
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Adam
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Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:59 am
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| Quote: | | They don't find it offensive. I think everyone's trying to be a little to PC, and dregging up shit that doesn't need to be. |
I find it offensive because it is stupid. My tax dollars are used for it. And it is racist. Getting rid of "Indians" isn't PC--it's just C. Using these names is adding insult to injury. Omitting the insult is part of the right thing to do.
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Tiger_Vixen
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OK,
Attacking aside lol, Mr. Trunks I see your viewpoint. Allowing racist acts are just as bad as being racist. If you condone the acts it's almost as bad as commiting them. If you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem.
I know my point of view is basied because I went to a school where we took pride in our mascot, which you see as being racist, it was just an integral part of our town. But, you're right none the less.
I'm not particularly offended, and do think of it as a compliment, but if they have a problem, and it's causing problems it should be changed. I concede, lol.
I didn't mean to come off insensitive or racist, because I'm not lol. I'm actually one of the largest HRA I know, and even though they've taken a LOT of grief as of late- I also support the ACLU.
But I see your points, good arguments guys  We should have had you two on our Parli team
Later,
Vix
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