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Sunny
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Billions of years = how long the earth has warmed and cooled.
30 years of data = how long they have collected data on global warming.
if you couldn't tell what i was talking about when i wrote as simply as possible, then you need to stop trying to sound really smart in your posts, because you aren't and you just end up looking like an idiot. Maybe you should the posts before you get out the thesaurus to come up with your replies.
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Trunks
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| Sunny wrote: |
Billions of years = how long the earth has warmed and cooled.
30 years of data = how long they have collected data on global warming.
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So if they have collected enough data in 30 years to understand that the earth has been heating and cooling for millions of years.
I think data has been collected on climate change for much longer than 30 years, considering even things like the farmers almanacs claim they have been around near 200 years, and Meteorology has been taught in this nations universities for more than 100 years.
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Maybe you should the posts before you get out the thesaurus to come up with your replies. |
I am glad to see you are getting in the spirit of things by ignoring your own grammar and usage.
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rwnugent
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Sunny admit it, you just watched "The Day Adter Tomorrow" and swallowed it whole. lol
I'll be glad to help hurricane victims I can provide shelter and beer and "other" things for any single attractive females in need.
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Trunks
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At least from what I have seen on TV and in my part of helping evacuees it seems like the level of activity of the federal government has increased significantly sense this letter was drafted. Props to the media for not being afraid to put pressure on the regional government to give command to the federal government.
| Quote: | (CNN) -- New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin blasted the slow pace of federal and state relief efforts in an expletive-laced interview with local radio station WWL-AM.
The following is a transcript of WWL correspondent Garland Robinette's interview with Nagin on Thursday night. Robinette asked the mayor about his conversation with President Bush:
NAGIN: I told him we had an incredible crisis here and that his flying over in Air Force One does not do it justice. And that I have been all around this city, and I am very frustrated because we are not able to marshal resources and we're outmanned in just about every respect. (Listen to the mayor express his frustration in this video -- 12:09)
You know the reason why the looters got out of control? Because we had most of our resources saving people, thousands of people that were stuck in attics, man, old ladies. ... You pull off the doggone ventilator vent and you look down there and they're standing in there in water up to their freaking necks.
And they don't have a clue what's going on down here. They flew down here one time two days after the doggone event was over with TV cameras, AP reporters, all kind of goddamn -- excuse my French everybody in America, but I am pissed.
WWL: Did you say to the president of the United States, "I need the military in here"?
NAGIN: I said, "I need everything."
Now, I will tell you this -- and I give the president some credit on this -- he sent one John Wayne dude down here that can get some stuff done, and his name is [Lt.] Gen. [Russel] Honore.
And he came off the doggone chopper, and he started cussing and people started moving. And he's getting some stuff done.
They ought to give that guy -- if they don't want to give it to me, give him full authority to get the job done, and we can save some people.
WWL: What do you need right now to get control of this situation?
NAGIN: I need reinforcements, I need troops, man. I need 500 buses, man. We ain't talking about -- you know, one of the briefings we had, they were talking about getting public school bus drivers to come down here and bus people out here.
I'm like, "You got to be kidding me. This is a national disaster. Get every doggone Greyhound bus line in the country and get their asses moving to New Orleans."
That's -- they're thinking small, man. And this is a major, major, major deal. And I can't emphasize it enough, man. This is crazy.
I've got 15,000 to 20,000 people over at the convention center. It's bursting at the seams. The poor people in Plaquemines Parish. ... We don't have anything, and we're sharing with our brothers in Plaquemines Parish.
It's awful down here, man.
WWL: Do you believe that the president is seeing this, holding a news conference on it but can't do anything until [Louisiana Gov.] Kathleen Blanco requested him to do it? And do you know whether or not she has made that request?
NAGIN: I have no idea what they're doing. But I will tell you this: You know, God is looking down on all this, and if they are not doing everything in their power to save people, they are going to pay the price. Because every day that we delay, people are dying and they're dying by the hundreds, I'm willing to bet you.
We're getting reports and calls that are breaking my heart, from people saying, "I've been in my attic. I can't take it anymore. The water is up to my neck. I don't think I can hold out." And that's happening as we speak.
You know what really upsets me, Garland? We told everybody the importance of the 17th Street Canal issue. We said, "Please, please take care of this. We don't care what you do. Figure it out."
WWL: Who'd you say that to?
NAGIN: Everybody: the governor, Homeland Security, FEMA. You name it, we said it.
And they allowed that pumping station next to Pumping Station 6 to go under water. Our sewage and water board people ... stayed there and endangered their lives.
And what happened when that pumping station went down, the water started flowing again in the city, and it starting getting to levels that probably killed more people.
In addition to that, we had water flowing through the pipes in the city. That's a power station over there.
So there's no water flowing anywhere on the east bank of Orleans Parish. So our critical water supply was destroyed because of lack of action.
WWL: Why couldn't they drop the 3,000-pound sandbags or the containers that they were talking about earlier? Was it an engineering feat that just couldn't be done?
NAGIN: They said it was some pulleys that they had to manufacture. But, you know, in a state of emergency, man, you are creative, you figure out ways to get stuff done.
Then they told me that they went overnight, and they built 17 concrete structures and they had the pulleys on them and they were going to drop them.
I flew over that thing yesterday, and it's in the same shape that it was after the storm hit. There is nothing happening. And they're feeding the public a line of bull and they're spinning, and people are dying down here.
WWL: If some of the public called and they're right, that there's a law that the president, that the federal government can't do anything without local or state requests, would you request martial law?
NAGIN: I've already called for martial law in the city of New Orleans. We did that a few days ago.
WWL: Did the governor do that, too?
NAGIN: I don't know. I don't think so.
But we called for martial law when we realized that the looting was getting out of control. And we redirected all of our police officers back to patrolling the streets. They were dead-tired from saving people, but they worked all night because we thought this thing was going to blow wide open last night. And so we redirected all of our resources, and we hold it under check.
I'm not sure if we can do that another night with the current resources.
And I am telling you right now: They're showing all these reports of people looting and doing all that weird stuff, and they are doing that, but people are desperate and they're trying to find food and water, the majority of them.
Now you got some knuckleheads out there, and they are taking advantage of this lawless -- this situation where, you know, we can't really control it, and they're doing some awful, awful things. But that's a small majority of the people. Most people are looking to try and survive.
And one of the things people -- nobody's talked about this. Drugs flowed in and out of New Orleans and the surrounding metropolitan area so freely it was scary to me, and that's why we were having the escalation in murders. People don't want to talk about this, but I'm going to talk about it.
You have drug addicts that are now walking around this city looking for a fix, and that's the reason why they were breaking in hospitals and drugstores. They're looking for something to take the edge off of their jones, if you will.
And right now, they don't have anything to take the edge off. And they've probably found guns. So what you're seeing is drug-starving crazy addicts, drug addicts, that are wrecking havoc. And we don't have the manpower to adequately deal with it. We can only target certain sections of the city and form a perimeter around them and hope to God that we're not overrun.
WWL: Well, you and I must be in the minority. Because apparently there's a section of our citizenry out there that thinks because of a law that says the federal government can't come in unless requested by the proper people, that everything that's going on to this point has been done as good as it can possibly be.
NAGIN: Really?
WWL: I know you don't feel that way.
NAGIN: Well, did the tsunami victims request? Did it go through a formal process to request?
You know, did the Iraqi people request that we go in there? Did they ask us to go in there? What is more important?
And I'll tell you, man, I'm probably going get in a whole bunch of trouble. I'm probably going to get in so much trouble it ain't even funny. You probably won't even want to deal with me after this interview is over.
WWL: You and I will be in the funny place together.
NAGIN: But we authorized $8 billion to go to Iraq lickety-quick. After 9/11, we gave the president unprecedented powers lickety-quick to take care of New York and other places.
Now, you mean to tell me that a place where most of your oil is coming through, a place that is so unique when you mention New Orleans anywhere around the world, everybody's eyes light up -- you mean to tell me that a place where you probably have thousands of people that have died and thousands more that are dying every day, that we can't figure out a way to authorize the resources that we need? Come on, man.
You know, I'm not one of those drug addicts. I am thinking very clearly.
And I don't know whose problem it is. I don't know whether it's the governor's problem. I don't know whether it's the president's problem, but somebody needs to get their ass on a plane and sit down, the two of them, and figure this out right now.
WWL: What can we do here?
NAGIN: Keep talking about it.
WWL: We'll do that. What else can we do?
NAGIN: Organize people to write letters and make calls to their congressmen, to the president, to the governor. Flood their doggone offices with requests to do something. This is ridiculous.
I don't want to see anybody do anymore goddamn press conferences. Put a moratorium on press conferences. Don't do another press conference until the resources are in this city. And then come down to this city and stand with us when there are military trucks and troops that we can't even count.
Don't tell me 40,000 people are coming here. They're not here. It's too doggone late. Now get off your asses and do something, and let's fix the biggest goddamn crisis in the history of this country.
WWL: I'll say it right now, you're the only politician that's called and called for arms like this. And if -- whatever it takes, the governor, president -- whatever law precedent it takes, whatever it takes, I bet that the people listening to you are on your side.
NAGIN: Well, I hope so, Garland. I am just -- I'm at the point now where it don't matter. People are dying. They don't have homes. They don't have jobs. The city of New Orleans will never be the same in this time.
WWL: We're both pretty speechless here.
NAGIN: Yeah, I don't know what to say. I got to go.
WWL: OK. Keep in touch. Keep in touch.
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rwnugent
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Sun Sep 04, 2005 7:30 am
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Yeah I'm sure that interview helped a lot but it probably also put an end to his political career.
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Sunny
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Sun Sep 04, 2005 9:03 am
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You are an uninformed douche, trunks. They can tell the climates from different eras in time, but they do not have the specifics. The thought of Global Warming blamed on Humans is only about 30 years old. Quit trying to confuse the issue.
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Trunks
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Sun Sep 04, 2005 1:57 pm
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| Sunny wrote: | | You are an uninformed douche, trunks. |
What’s your point?
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They can tell the climates from different eras in time, but they do not have the specifics. The thought of Global Warming blamed on Humans is only about 30 years old. |
You are again confused. The ideas of global warming started at least more than 100 years ago, at least the American Institute of Physics and the US government funding agencies think so.
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Quit trying to confuse the issue.
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I am not the one using the simple pretext of “The Day After Tomorrow” to explain / debunk scientific theories.
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Trunks
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| rwnugent wrote: | | Yeah I'm sure that interview helped a lot but it probably also put an end to his political career. |
The interview is interesting. Like CNN I partially liked the “John Wane Dude”, basically he acknowledges that it took someone with strong leadership training and experience to get stuff done. Stuff he was not, he just hanging out in meetings talking.
Other people seem to really vibe off the fact that told off the system.
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Nema
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| JasonB wrote: | | if we weren't spending so much money in iraq, maybe we could save the wetlands, and build a better levee |
and explain to what excuse are you going to use for the years between the beginning of the war in iraq and the end of the last major hurricane to hit the area, in 69 for not saving the wetlands and building a better levee?
Lobbyists have been asking the feds for wetland reinforcement since the early 90's and both democratic and republican administrations have crapped on us.
THIS IS NOT POLITICAL ...
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_MagnoliA_
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I didn't really feel like scrolling through all that but:
blah blah, bush is moronic, michael moore is not fact but only opinionated, and durk a durk durk.
I might agree with the letter...but michael moore isn't here either. Nor did he sign up to fight the war. Will he even have a career once Bush is out of office? Its like Jay Leno after Clinton. No juice.
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Ya know what? This is like the blind leading the blind. Moore is not here. Moore does not live here. Everyone placing blam is not here and does not live here. If you don't know what you are talking about, then you should keep your mouth shut.
This catastrophe has been predicted for decades. The levees were built to withstand a Cat3. With all of the coastal erosion over the past 5 years, those levees were damaged. Sen. Landreiu (sp?) has lobbied for YEARS trying to get money for coastal erosion, wetlands, and restpration. The proper steps were being taken to fix things.
I agree that help did not arrive soon enough. I also agree that the federal government could have done more for our city. But I also agree that if the people were trying to rescue were acting like human beings instead of animals, they would have been helped sooner without a second thought.
Walk a mile in my shoes, or _magnolia_'s shoes, or anyone else who was affected by this storm, and I *think* they will agree with me. It is always easier to be a Monday morning quarterback.
I am just happy that unlike many others, I escaped with my life.
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If lobbyists ask the government for something, politicians asking other politicians, and that something does not happen because other politicians (democrats or republicans) decide that it is not necessary, or that the money could be spent some place else then that makes it a political issue.
I think what are you were trying to say is you don’t think it is a partisan issue.
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Lobbyists have been asking the feds for wetland reinforcement since the early 90's ...
THIS IS NOT POLITICAL ... |
Nema I think you invented up a new term “wetlands reinforcement”
Wetlands enforcement - controlling discharges in the wetlands.
Levee reinforcement – making the levee system better.
I urge you to research the appropriated spending for the SELA project and revise your opinion.
I think you are also blurring a line. The wetlands and the levee, lock and damn system can not happily coexist. It is my understanding and I could be wrong, that the levees and lock and damn system themselves are a big part of starving the Mississippi delta of sediments. Not having sediments to redeposit in the delta causes more stuff to be carried away by storms and currents in the gulf than is replaced by sediments carried by the Mississippi.
Toxic chemicals that discharged in the wetlands, and all the pollution that is carried down the river, I understand that that does not help life flourish in the area. Trees and other plants don’t take root, if anything they die and soil is free to wash away.
Many people blame the offshore oil industry for contamination and dead zones in the gulf. Bush senior was a pioneer of offshore oil drilling, and reportedly made his first million in the business.
I am not sure if would consider that “political”, or just anti-Bush.
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Trunks
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| TiGeR_PriNcEsS wrote: |
...But I also agree that if the people were trying to rescue were acting like human beings instead of animals, they would have been helped sooner without a second thought.
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I don’t hope that was not the case. I think the delay in the evacuation was because evacuating the people that were in the superdome and others was not part of Nagin’s post hurricane plan. Nagin wanted people to stay and help rebuild. Monday evening Nagin spoke on TV, he said nothing about evacuating the dome, everything about rescuing people trapped in water, repairing the city, getting supplies.
It seemed to me that it was his intention was to keep refugees in superdome. In hind sight (and I understand that things are much clearer looking back) trying to keep the tens of thousands of people in the city with out water and electricity for weeks was not the right decision.
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Nema
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| Trunks wrote: | Monday evening Nagin spoke on TV, he said nothing about evacuating the dome, everything about rescuing people trapped in water, repairing the city, getting supplies.
It seemed to me that it was his intention was to keep refugees in superdome. In hind sight (and I understand that things are much clearer looking back) trying to keep the tens of thousands of people in the city with out water and electricity for weeks was not the right decision. |
Monday evening, none of the levees had broken yet. It wasn't until early tuesday morning.
I don't know why I got into this discussion. Don't put words in my mouth I didn't say. This should not be partisan or political at all. If you want this political so be it ... but this is not the time or place to make thousands of people's deaths into a political issue.
And fine, I used the wrong word, sue me you wanna start correcting all of my grammar too?
And yes, that's political, its not hard to understand that by bringing politicians into this it automatically makes somthing political.
They've had since 69 to set up a plan for this and they didn't. Local and federal, democrat and republican all had their chance and they didn't.
I don't really care anymore, enjoy arguing with yourself ... I need to go to bed to be at the PMAC tommorow instead of spending all my time placing blame.
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