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phoAm
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:53 pm
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Let's burn the flag, people for it and people who oppose it. Get this shit off of the media please. My pet hamster is tired of hearing all of this shit.
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AngelOfBR
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 8:06 pm
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I can understand why they find the flag offensive, but Landon is right, it's a spoof on Ole Miss.The Rebel Flag itself was never a sign of racism in itself, the northern states had slaves before the war too, the only reason slavery ended there is because it wasn't profitable like it was in the south because we had planations and such where it made money having slaves to work the fields and the north had industry. Anyway I digress.
My real point I want to make is that the protests are really what keep minorities from making headway in present society. They have proven their place in society yet they still act like they need a Rosa to get on a bus every once in awhile to remind us. The problem with that is that when they do this they draw attention to themselves, and I don't care what school, company, or non-minority organization you are but I know you don't want that kind of attention to be drawn to yourself. For instance, what would have been wrong with drafting a letter addressing the issue of concern and sending it to the chancellor to set up a meeting and then setting up a press conference from there? That's a perfectly civil way of doing things and it may have gotten results without having to march around with signs and marching on the chancellors office and making an unncessary scene. Also alerting the media may have been done with a letter expressing concern and setting up a civil interview that the community of Baton Rouge could have seen and heard the arguement of the group who oppsed the flag in full instead of seeing their march around the campus and the signs who only give you a glimpse into the whole story of why they were out there and why they were offended. I'm not saying that its only minorities that do this, but in many cases, as in this one, it is. If you have something to say, you have a right to say it, we all do in America, which is why we live here. As an American you should be able to show the rest of the world, even if you are just a student from LSU, what a civilized protest is. Write a letter, make some phone calls, talk to the media in an interview, and let us know who you are before you turn into a mob with some posters and a loud booming voice marching around in front of intoxicated football fans. White, black, green, purple, orange, straight, gay, bi, human, dog, cat, vegetarian, whatever. You'll have more respect from many people when you act civil about an issue which you think is uncivil towards you.
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rwnugent
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:27 pm
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That's all well and good but it isn't going to get ratings or cause any news stories or drama which is what we here in America really want.
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MrTrunks
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:37 pm
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| AngelOfBR wrote: | | ... the northern states had slaves before the war too, the only reason slavery ended there is because it wasn't profitable like it was in the south because we had planations and such where it made money having slaves to work the fields and the north had industry. Anyway I digress.... |
That is the dumbest thing I have heard today. What revisionist history are you reading? Slavery ended parts of the south with The Emancipation Proclamation. Made by Lincoln to attempt to keep the Union together. The civil war was not caused by emancipation, it came during the war as an effort by the north to hurt the south. Much of the north (and non confederate parts of the south) keep slaves until after the civil after the civil war some until the 13th amendment. Slavery was profitable in the north.
What you are confusing with profit was the Southern states that wanted it both ways, they wanted slaves to count as population for voting sake, and property.
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My real point I want to make is that the protests are really what keep minorities from making headway in present society.
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Lol. You can not be serious. Protests do not hamper advancement. Think of the late Rosa Parks, you think that her protest hurt the cause…
Get a clue. Prejudice and bigotry are still the dominate factor. Having a march or protest to raise attention to a cause (for just causes) works very well in most cases.
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They have proven their place in society yet they still act like they need a Rosa to get on a bus every once in awhile to remind us. The problem with that is that when they do this they draw attention to themselves, and I don't care what school, company, or non-minority organization you are but I know you don't want that kind of attention to be drawn to yourself. |
So basically here you admit you are a bigot… and you dont care...
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Write a letter, make some phone calls, talk to the media in an interview, and let us know who you are before you turn into a mob with some posters and a loud booming voice marching around in front of intoxicated football fans. ... |
Do you honestly think that no one wrote a letter or made a phone call about this before…
Is this the first time you heard of this…
This flag business had been going last year, and the year before... This was an issue here in 1997 around the same time it was at Ole Miss.
If your group has been protesting something for 8 years, I don’t think its’ unreasonable to assume that people in the community would know what your protest was about.
Now the protesters did have some other issues the wanted to bring up, like Racism on campus. The media has chosen to focus on the flag issue, rather than the “real” issue.
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phoAm
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 11:52 pm
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Gnashing of the teeth..
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CavalryJim
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 12:28 am
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Whoever wrote this, you need to shut up and stop being ignorant. |
[michael jackson] Stop it...you're being ignorant [/michael jackson]
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AngelOfBR
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:49 am
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| MrTrunks wrote: | That is the dumbest thing I have heard today. What revisionist history are you reading? Slavery ended parts of the south with The Emancipation Proclamation. Made by Lincoln to attempt to keep the Union together. The civil war was not caused by emancipation, it came during the war as an effort by the north to hurt the south. Much of the north (and non confederate parts of the south) keep slaves until after the civil after the civil war some until the 13th amendment. Slavery was profitable in the north.
What you are confusing with profit was the Southern states that wanted it both ways, they wanted slaves to count as population for voting sake, and property.
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Depends on who's twisted version of history you read. Slavery started losing money in the north long before the war started. And I never said the civil war was caused by a move for emancipation, get your stuff straight.
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Lol. You can not be serious. Protests do not hamper advancement. Think of the late Rosa Parks, you think that her protest hurt the cause…
Get a clue. Prejudice and bigotry are still the dominate factor. Having a march or protest to raise attention to a cause (for just causes) works very well in most cases.
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Rosa Parks wasn't trying to protest on purpose, she was just too dang tired to get up from her seat so she wanted to be a bitch one day and said no. She never knew that she was going to start something like she did, and she never tried to hog the spotlight even after it became known to the public. You picked a horrible example.
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They have proven their place in society yet they still act like they need a Rosa to get on a bus every once in awhile to remind us. The problem with that is that when they do this they draw attention to themselves, and I don't care what school, company, or non-minority organization you are but I know you don't want that kind of attention to be drawn to yourself. |
| MrTrunks wrote: | | So basically here you admit you are a bigot… and you dont care... |
No, I'm not a bigot. I like everyone regardless of who they are unless they give me a reason not to. In fact, in my place of work I am the minority and no one in my workplace has ever given me a reason to dislike them for any reason. I'm saying that equality for all races is something that has been met in our society, for the most part, yet every once in awhile there is someone who thinks that one incident or another is purely because they are of a certain race. If I truely was a bigot I would be bitter because I had to go back to school because I couldn't make money with my Manicurist Licence I went to school to get because of the Vietnamese that have taken over the industry in the area.
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Write a letter, make some phone calls, talk to the media in an interview, and let us know who you are before you turn into a mob with some posters and a loud booming voice marching around in front of intoxicated football fans. ... |
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Do you honestly think that no one wrote a letter or made a phone call about this before…
Is this the first time you heard of this…
This flag business had been going last year, and the year before... This was an issue here in 1997 around the same time it was at Ole Miss.
If your group has been protesting something for 8 years, I don’t think its’ unreasonable to assume that people in the community would know what your protest was about.
Now the protesters did have some other issues the wanted to bring up, like Racism on campus. The media has chosen to focus on the flag issue, rather than the “real” issue. |
Well obviously they haven't been speaking to the correct people because I've lived here a LOT longer than you have, YANKEE, and this is the first I've heard of it. I'm talking about it specifically on LSU's campus. I know about the whole issue of the flag being offensive and it's history, the changing of state flags because of the issue, and it's long history. I probably know a lot more about it than you do being that I'm an ACTUAL southerner. From the fact that it was originally the flag of a single regiment during the war and spread out to become the flag of the Confederacy, to the sybolism of the cross. And what IS the "real" issue? Racism? Hell blonde jokes are racist. So are trailer park jokes. Do we get offended and stage a walkout if someone tells one? Do we call each other "cracker"? My point is for people who want equality they certainly single themselves out as a group sometimes. If the north had slaves too why don't we protest the American flag, which came from the Unions flag? Doesn't it represent slavery also? Do we go as far as to ask the stores not to carry Christian symbols because it may offend the atheists, agnostics, and satan worshipers? Hell no! You think I'm a bigot? Fine, you're one person, and you barely know me. If you really knew me you'd know that I judge people based on who they are, not what they are on the outside.
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Norris
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:23 am
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| AngelOfBR wrote: | | Rosa Parks wasn't trying to protest on purpose, she was just too dang tired to get up from her seat so she wanted to be a bitch one day and said no. She never knew that she was going to start something like she did, and she never tried to hog the spotlight even after it became known to the public. You picked a horrible example. |
You know, Rosa did know what effect it would have and teamed up with MLK Jr. to speak out heavily about civil rights. Just recently she protested some black awards show because they were giving an award to Barbershop. She always seemed pretty vocal to me.
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MrTrunks
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 5:29 pm
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| AngelOfBR wrote: |
Depends on who's twisted version of history you read.
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Like I said… who’s history are you reading… it is certainly tristed.
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Rosa Parks wasn't trying to protest on purpose |
Your perception is all TVed out. She was working for the NAACP at the time, she had an idea that she was not going planning to approve of segregation every day she went to work. Your saying the working for the NAACP, trying to register to vote several times, going so many rallies and protests might just happen to be on a count of laziness. Please…
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They have proven their place in society yet they still act like they need a Rosa to get on a bus every once in awhile to remind us. |
| MrTrunks wrote: | So basically here you admit you are a bigot… and you dont care...
They...us... WTF are you talking about...
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[quote="AngelOfBR"] I'm saying that equality for all races is something that has been met in our society, for the most part, yet every once in awhile there is someone who thinks that one incident or another is purely because they are of a certain race.
What are you saying… that people that think they are racially discriminated against are wrong?
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If I truely was a bigot I would be bitter because I had to go back to school because I couldn't make money with my Manicurist Licence I went to school to get because of the Vietnamese that have taken over the industry in the area.
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That sounds bitter to me. Pointing out that it is “the” Vietnamese certainly is a racist thing to say.
Wait wait wait maybe you were being sarcastic.
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Well obviously they haven't been speaking to the correct people...
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Obviously you do not read the news paper, editorials, or watch the evening news. You must be part of the population that advertisers might call hard to reach… I just think you are out of touch with your own community.
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If the north had slaves too why don't we protest the American flag, which came from the Unions flag? Doesn't it represent slavery also? |
Some people do...Do you remember the Black Panthers.
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Tombo
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:14 pm
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I saw that flag like four years ago when I moved down here and I thought..wow it's only gonna be a matter of time before some black people frown at that and I guess it finally happened.. So no im not surprised. I am surprised at how lopsided it is to keep the flag on. What's the point of it, anyway? A purple and yellow confederate flag? Just fly a flag that says LSU on it. They've got commemorative national championship flags out there, you know.. You don't see USC and Michigan and Notre dame rebel flags.. As for the real confederate flag, I just make fun of people who take pride in it, it's like the civil war ended a damn long time ago.. It belongs in the past and should be forgotten. You know, like Jesus Jones and the Montreal Expos.
Would I skip class to protest it? Probably not..
Switching gears, what could possibly be wrong with the United States flag? Ol' glory?
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CavalryJim
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:15 am
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Hey Tombut!
Why don't you move your ass back up North?
The confederate flag does not = slavery and yes people should just get over it. I'm sure that USC, Michigan, and ND do have mascots or traditions that offend someone.
A major weakness of this country is the fact it is 'ok' to be a victim. As a matter of fact, we reward victims. Before we can move forward with this issue, all the colored people that have a problem with the flag need to have a big glass of STFU.
Jim
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rwnugent
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:37 am
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KILL WHITEY!!!
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lsugroovychlck
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 11:42 am
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isn't there a saying
"A rebel flag a day keeps the n*ggers away"?
 
just thought I should add more fuel to the fire.
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MrTrunks
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:37 pm
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| CavalryJim wrote: |
The confederate flag does not = slavery and yes people should just get over it. I'm sure that USC, Michigan, and ND do have mascots or traditions that offend someone.
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I don’t think it’s the offensiveness, it’s the perception of a real threat. If some sees one sign that says “Kill! Murder! Rape!” its just offensive. Its when you have 10,000 people holding such a sign, that a genuine perception of threat exists.
It the perception issue that is the problem, I agree. If people got over it, and did not think that the flag represented something threatening then it would not be an issue. But apparently the NAACP thinks it is, and they like to tell every one how they feel about it. It is arguable that the “perception” of treat was enhanced by the effort to remove it. That perhaps a few people encouraged a greater number of people to feel threatened by the flag.
Regardless, the flag exists, and is currently seen as threatening.
So now that I assume every one knows that some people think it is threatening then the issue is should we embrace a symbol that currently has a strong negative connotation with many people in the community and try to give this flag a new positive image , or distance ourselves from the symbol our of respect for others, and find a better, already popular image to embrace.
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