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Sunny
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 12:58 pm
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Christmas for Christians will always be Christmas.
The problem is Christmas isn't just for Christians, its a marketing and sales monolith which has nothing to do with religion which is why they say xmas or happy holidays.
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dodo_u_rock
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Well i think that people should do as they see fit, in that if you just what a holiday then keep to that if not then don't, but there are enough people around the world to keep christmas as it was made to be. any way all religons have a winter holiday and there have always been people that just tag along not really believing, its not getting worse really so i wouldn't worry.  ........i could be wrong.
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Trunks
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:08 pm
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| Sunny wrote: | Christmas for Christians will always be Christmas.
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Not all Christians celebrate Christmas!
A big point in this is that Christian fundamentalists in the past did not want people celebrating Christmas! (others simply did not want all the commercialism)
The whole country of England at one time banned celebrating Christmas!
This War on Christmas is really a war on exploitation.
The adage is “If you can’t beat them join them.” That’s what’s going on here.
The newest developments are simply a secession to the war. Christian groups now recognize they can not fight the commercialism, and they now want to play by secular rules to leverage temporal doctrines of particular casts and denominations!
Christmas for Christians will not always be the same, it has definitely changed dramatically in the past 100 years, and I predict it will continue to change.
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Trunks
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LInk:Paris Hilton is the New crèche
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Sunny
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| Trunks wrote: |
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i wasn't talking about the Santa and reindeers aspect. I was talking about the CHRIST part of it in that statement. The Santa Claus part is all the marketing crap.
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Trunks
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:36 pm
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| Sunny wrote: | | Trunks wrote: |
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i wasn't talking about the Santa and reindeers aspect. I was talking about the CHRIST part of it in that statement. The Santa Claus part is all the marketing crap. |
My point is that Christian groups that once thought Christmas was ok to celebrate have sense decided that celebrating it would be grounds for God to not let them in heaven and they stopped celebrating.
And other Christian groups that did not celebrate it (like groups that do not have any masses, that still don’t celebrate Easter) have decided sense then that Christmas is not bad, even if they still teach that Christ was not born that day, that’s it is a pagan holiday, but it is simply a convenient time to be happy about his life and being saved.
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LEstay
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Christians should celebrate the birth, death, and resurrection of Christ ALL YEAR LONG, not just three days! We should act like Christians seven days a week, not one.
Jehovah's Witnesses have a point when they don't celebrate Christmas and birthdays... only heatherns (sp) celebrated birthdays in the Bible.
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 7:01 pm
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| LEstay wrote: | Christians should celebrate the birth, death, and resurrection of Christ ALL YEAR LONG, not just three days! We should act like Christians seven days a week, not one.
Jehovah's Witnesses have a point when they don't celebrate Christmas and birthdays... only heatherns (sp) celebrated birthdays in the Bible. |
That's a good point, man. I'm not a Christian, but Christians should celebrate it all year long if it is their belief.
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dodo_u_rock
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yes people should celebrate all year long. and any way didn't the people who rewrote the bible, changed it to english, get the dates wrong? coz if you look at the dates christ is born in 5bc which is kinda messed up. well if that is true then christmas shoudn't even be on the 25th.
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Trunks
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:56 pm
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| dodo_u_rock wrote: | | yes people should celebrate all year long. and any way didn't the people who rewrote the bible, changed it to english, get the dates wrong? coz if you look at the dates christ is born in 5bc which is kinda messed up. well if that is true then christmas shoudn't even be on the 25th. |
I think most people agree now about the BCE, A.D. (CE) dates are not accurate, but that was not the fault of a biblical translation, I was just wrong.
As most Christians recognize that Christ may or may not have been born on or near Dec 25th.
Like it was said before, if you do, celebrate Christ in your life all year seven days a week.
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Do weeks really have 7 days? or is it really 6 1/2? Just think about it...
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Personally I don't believe in much of anything having to do with holidays in december which compel people to spend their money buying gifts for people they probably don't even speak to the rest of the year. It's just another marketing tool for retailers now anyway. If you're a christian or jew or whatever go set up your nativity scene or light your candles or roast a goat or whatever it is you want to do and shut the fuck up about what everybody else is doing. If you don't like the fact that George Bush wrote happy holidays on the cards then you should not have voted for him. I know I sure as hell didn't vote for him but it was for far more serious reasons than a fucking card but lets forget about the chaos and destruction he has caused and let's focus on what's important, what he wrote on a card.
In closing I would like to say: "Happy what the fuck ever."
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phoAm
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Mon Dec 12, 2005 11:52 pm
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Merry Christmahanukkwanzaka
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Tombo
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While I think there are surely more important issues at hand than what's written on a Christmas card, I would have to disagree that all Christmas is is a marketing tool. Retailers rake in profits, sure but a lot of people who invest in stocks win too. Besides, faith aside there's something special about the season. People pull together and help each other out and wish each other the best for the most part. I mean you get the occasional purse snatch at Cortana Mall around December but everything else is swell.
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