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Norris
Mr. Negative Nancy
Joined: May 12, 2004
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Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:39 pm
Post subject: Fahrenheit 9/11, A must see!!! |
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I'm not much into politics, and I absolutely despise Michael Moore and his overly one-sided movies, but this movie was great and I think everyone should see it, mostly because Moore leaves a lot of opinion out of the movie and focuses mostly on the facts. I am not sold on his anti-Bush views, but the accounts of the soldiers and the mother of the dead GI were unforgettable moments. Anyway, I think everyone should see this movie, it is pretty funny and sad at the same time. By the way, I will probably vote for Bush unless Carey can prove he is better, which wouldn't be much, but he hasn't done it.
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Norris
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Sat Jun 26, 2004 12:28 am
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Sorry, I spelled Kerry wrong. My friend in high school's last name was Carey and I guess it just stuck in my head.
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Sat Jun 26, 2004 7:41 am
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A correction made not a minute too soon. We were about to tar and feather you.
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Sat Jun 26, 2004 8:33 am
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I'm thinking about going to see it sometime this weekend. Is anyone else interested in coming? Hmm... wonder if we could even get a mixed crowd (i.e. liberals/Democrats AND conservatives/Republicans) to go together? In any case, does anyone know which theaters are showing it?
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Sat Jun 26, 2004 8:48 am
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By the way, Norris, it's good to hear that this movie is being seen even by those who plan to vote for Bush. I've heard some of Bush's more devout supporters recently condemning Moore and his movie without having first seen it. That seems ridiculous to me. If a movie criticizing Kerry (who will likely receive my vote) was hailed by critics of all political persuasions as factually accurate and an exemplary piece of film-making, I would certainly want to see it. I hope some of TigerU's loyal Republicans take my suggestion seriously and come along to see it.
I am curious about something, though. I have heard a number of people express a sentiment similar to your own. Many have said they are dissatisfied with Bush and would like to vote for Kerry, were he to prove himself a preferrable alternative. What, in your opinion, does that entail? As a likely but hesitant Bush supporter, what do you see as our current President's greatest failings, and what specifically would Kerry have to do to prove himself better?
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rwnugent
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Sat Jun 26, 2004 11:21 am
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I wouldn't mind going to see it, as long as I can sit next to AWE. Seriously though I would like to see it, I've seen previews and the little ads and whatnot. I'm already going to vote for Kerry and I already know how miserably George W. Bush has failed as a president but I would still like to see the movie.
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Sunny
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Sat Jun 26, 2004 11:49 am
Post subject: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11, A must see!!! |
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| Norris wrote: | | ....mostly because Moore leaves a lot of opinion out of the movie and focuses mostly on the facts.... |
Are you sure you saw farenheit? What i saw was short clips of speach taken mostly out of context. Questions that were more leading than a blind mans dog, and more flat out propaganda than a Goebbels film.
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Norris
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Sat Jun 26, 2004 12:01 pm
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It was more opinionated than i let on, just nothing compared to bowling for columbine. I am not a Bush supporter by the way, I don't even really think he is a good president, but it is just the fact that Kerry doesn't show me he could do anything different, I mean, it's bad enough the dude is afraid to speak in public.
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mrbrown
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Sat Jun 26, 2004 2:38 pm
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I suggest before taking everything Moore says for the gospel that you visit a site like http://fahrenheit_fact.blogspot.com/. Its not an Anti-Moore, pro-Bush site or anything like it - it just states the facts (and cites them) and how Moore selectively leaves out things for his own political agenda.
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Anonymous
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Sat Jun 26, 2004 4:41 pm
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Mr. Brown, your site is interesting. Let's not kid each other, though. It is about as impartial as Moore's film. Both are op-ed pieces with clear agendas. Both present certain facts and decline to present others.
Some of the "facts" on this site are grossly distorted. Others are simply irrelevant to the trustworthiness of Moore's film.
For example, "Fahrenheit Fact no. 4: Three Members of the 2004 Cannes Jury have ties to Miramax." The implied allegation is that the movie may not have deserved the honors it received. This "fact" assails the quality of the film-making, not the film's factual accuracy.
Or "Fahrenheit Fact no. 1: Fahrenheit 9/11 is Funded by Terrorists." The article on which this assertion is based states that "the UAE-based distributor Front Row Entertainment has been contacted by organisations related to the Hezbollah in Lebanon with offers of help." This is not the thesis of the article quoted. Rather, it seems to have been relatively unimportant to the author (it is mentioned only in the closing paragraph). No mention is made of exactly what kind of organizations have offered their support, or what kind of ties those organizations might have to Hezbollah. Furthermore, these offers of support have to do only with distribution of the film, not the actual making of it. It is quite a distortion of the facts to put in bold print that "Fahrenheit 9/11 is Funded by Terrorists."
Mr. Brown, I agree with you that sites such as these should be perused by the curious. However, it should also be recognized that few (if any) sites will remain truly impartial when there is a Presidency at stake. This site is very obviously biased, as can be seen by even a brief overview. Every "fact" it presents is intended to discredit Fahrenheit 9/11 or to defend George W. Bush.
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Ichiban
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Sat Jun 26, 2004 4:43 pm
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Facts, told in total, don't usually belong in michael moore films. I've seen every one of them except for F911 and Bowling for columbine, and that's why I don't like the guy... and why a lot of people, left and right, think he's a douchebag.
As far as paying money to watch a movie that's editted to make our president look bad, eh.. I don't think so. I'd rather see Hellboy, or wait until Aliens versus Predator comes out.
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Ichiban
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Sat Jun 26, 2004 4:51 pm
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| Andrew wrote: | | Every "fact" it presents is intended to discredit Fahrenheit 9/11 or to defend George W. Bush. |
So it's taboo to defend our president from a movie that's made entirely, and edited entirely, to discredit him and make him look like a dumbass? Even at the cost of facts? Wow, how patriotic. I see you in a new light! Such a good guy!
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Sat Jun 26, 2004 5:27 pm
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Phil, as always, you seem determined to jump to conclusions and think poorly of liberal Americans without first reading carefully and taking seriously what we have to say. Read my post again, particularly the part you quoted. You will find that I regard the biases of that website as very similar to those of Michael Moore's films. My primary purpose was not to defend Moore, nor was it to condemn the recommended website for criticizing him. I simply pointed out that it is obviously (and probably inevitably) biased. In saying that, though, I conceeded that Moore's film (which I have not yet seen) is likely equally biased.
For once, why don't you try giving your fellow Americans the respect they deserve and actually listening to what they have to say? What would it hurt? Seriously, sometimes I think you would prefer a fascist regime. Don't you realize that liberals and conservatives counterbalancing each other prevent us from descending into some sort of abysmal extremist society?
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mrbrown
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Sat Jun 26, 2004 7:25 pm
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| Andrew wrote: | | Mr. Brown, I agree with you that sites such as these should be perused by the curious. However, it should also be recognized that few (if any) sites will remain truly impartial when there is a Presidency at stake. This site is very obviously biased, as can be seen by even a brief overview. Every "fact" it presents is intended to discredit Fahrenheit 9/11 or to defend George W. Bush. |
Ever heard of Christopher Hitchens of Slate? He's a pretty much uber-liberal columnist who bashes the Bush administration and the Republican party every chance he gets. He even wrote a very very disgusting piece on Ronald Reagan the day after he died.
Unfairenheit 9/11 - The lies of Michael Moore is a very interesting piece with some facts from a LEFTIST about this film, and I take back everything bad I may have said about Mr. Hitchens.
If you even suggest that this article is "bias", then I'm just going to have to slap you. It states a lot of the same facts that can be easily referenced thru reputable sources (except for the Hezbollah thing). This article challenges the six major issues Moore brings up in his movie and shows the WHOLE truth behind all of these issues.
If you think Farenheit 9/11 is an eye-opener, than you must be blind.
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Anonymous
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Sat Jun 26, 2004 7:33 pm
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Did I ever say Fahrenheit 9/11 was an "eye-opener?" Surely not. I haven't seen it yet. I don't expect to agree with all its points. I also do not expect it to present me with much new information. A lot of the film's controversial material has already been discussed thoroughly in forums such as this. I plan to see it, but I expect the experience to be something like watching a movie based on a book I've already read.
I will be glad to read the article you have recommended (though not right now, as I am about to go get some dinner). Rest assured, though, that my comments on it will not be swayed by threats of physical violence.
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