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| Do you think Iams has good reason for doing these "studies"? |
| No, they will burn in hell for making animals suffer needlessly (ding ding ding) |
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| No, but maybe it helps food production (bullshit) |
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| Yes, otherwise animals would not like the food. (as if they liked it now) |
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| Yes, animals deserve to die!! muahahaha (if you choose this option, you will burn in hell forever) |
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wormwood
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Joined: Jan 22, 2003
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Mon Sep 08, 2003 5:02 pm
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Iams, a company that manufacturers pet food tests on animals. While I cannot even begin to word the disgust that I felt after reading this letter I will type the letter in it's entirety here:
"While 'feeding trials' and 'nutritional studies' for companion-animal foods may sound benign, our nine-month investigation into a contract laboratory used by Iams revealed that its 'four-legged associates' suffered and died during the testing of its products.
Iams dogs and cats were imprisoned (some for as long as six years) in tiny stainless-steel cages and/or barren cement kennels inside windowless, dungeon-like buildings where temperatures and humidity reached extremes. None of the animals were given exercise, socialization, or psychological enrichment. Many of the Iams dogs paced, circled, and/or cowered in fear in their cages. Not one had a resting board or bed. They were treated disgracefully by a company that claims to love animals.
Iams dogs suffered cruel and painful muscle biopsies (27 of Iams' 60 biopsied dogs were deliberately killed) and were force-fed vegetable oil through tubes that were stuck down their throats. Iams also allowed its dogs to be debarked, an invasive and sadistic procedure conducted to silence the lonely and desperate cries of the tormented dogs.
If you believe that it is wrong for cats and dogs to suffer and die for the production of 'pet' foods, please call on Iams to end its use of animals in laboratories and, instead, rely on laboratory analysis of formulas for nutritional composition and on in-home palatability studies usung dogs and cats whose human companions have volunteered to monitor them. To study specific conditions or diseases, let Iams offices know that the company should conduct cooperative studies on animals in veterinary hospitals;
Jeffrey P. Ansell, President, Iams Company, 7250 Poe Ave., Dayton, OH 45414-5801
1-800-675-3849; 937-898-7387; jeff.ansell@iams.com
Thank you for your efforts in behalf of the animals used in these unscientific and unnecessary tests. For more information on this case, please visit IamsCruelty.com.
Sincerely,
Peter Wood
Research Associate"
The website goes into far more detail. I think that the word should be passed around. People should know about this and stand up and put an end to it. Donations can be made at the site and I think it would be great if we could get some people to donate and help. Also, some of the people at my work were skeptical so we called Iams, they confirmed that all this happend. They say that it was not done on cats and that there were only 19 dogs involved all which have been given homes. This as it turns is a lie. Hundreds of dogs were involved in this and probably still are. The 19 dogs were not given homes they were only moved from an outside research facility to an inside research facility. As a student pursuing a career in Veterinary medicine I can't stand by and just let animals suffer, I want to be a Veterinarian to help as many animals as I can and if I cannot end their suffering atleast be able to ease it. This case began April of this year but the tests and procedures have been going on for years and years. Many other companies are also suspected to be doing the same thing. I cannot believe they do this. 
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Dredekea
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Sat Sep 13, 2003 6:13 pm
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if this were true, there would have been more publicity over the incident. also, a more reliable source would be the ASPCA, not a site run by the eccentric drama queens of PETA. Organizations like this are more conerned with shock value than actual scientific evidence. i'm also a pre-vet student and a biology student, and i personally wouldn't lend any creedence to information found on that site. i am also quite skeptical that a representative from iams would (without a lawyer) confirm that their company took part in such a heinous act of animal cruelty. all scientific studies must be in accordance with the PHS Policy on Humane Care and Use of Laboratory Animals, the NIH Guide for Care and Use of Laboratory animals, and the Animal Welfare Act (7.U.S.C. et seq). also, the animal use protocol must be approved by a committee. had IAMS conducted scientific experiments without complying to the laws regarding animal cruelty, there would be severe consequences, and then there would be no reason for PETA to put up a site dedicated to slandering a reputable company and its quality pet care products.
and did i mention that the animals on that site look incredibly healthy? they definitely don't look like your average abused animals who get no excerise and are kept in dark, small cells for a number of years without care. it appears to me that this is a desperate ploy for donations and i urge everyone to look into this more before sending any money.
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Dredekea
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Sat Sep 13, 2003 6:43 pm
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actually, the ASPCA was involved in an investigation of IAMS's research policies, however they found no evidence of animal cruelty. the link is below
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Dredekea
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wormwood
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Joined: Jan 22, 2003
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Tue Oct 07, 2003 5:12 pm
Post subject: Then Call |
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Call Iams company and they will tell you its true, I have been in contact with the president and vice president of Iams and have recieved letters stating the truth in this and thing they are doing to rectify these things. If the company itself admits that it is wrong than the proof is right there.
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audmonkey
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Tue Oct 07, 2003 5:17 pm
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How long were the representatives there? One day, Two days? Did Iams know about the visit? I know when important people come to our work, we always make sure we clean up. They may do the same thing. Also, unannounced visits are rarely that. There's often a leak who will let them know ahead of time.
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Dredekea
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Tue Oct 07, 2003 6:24 pm
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what PETA claims that iams was doing is severe enough that they would be shut down if it were true. the ASPCA did an ivestigation, and it discredits most of PETA's claims. more than likely PETA found out that IAMS was doing animal research and they blew it way out of proportion. much like the ALF did when they vandalized equipment at the vet school not too long ago. there is nothing wrong with animal research itself, as long as it is done humanely. i don't know why the IAMS president would send some random person a letter confirming that they were doing activities that would shut them down, especially when a credible association (the ASPCA) confirmed that they were not doing these things. so you can send all the money to PETA that you feel is necessary. all you're doing is lending support to an organization whose main goal is fooling the general, uneducated public into sending them donations. if you want to contribute money for the wellbeing of animals, you should donate to the ASPCA. and if you're one of these people who lives in fantasy land and wants to "free fluffy", then maybe you should think twice about being a veterinarian. that profession relies a lot on the kind of animal research that PETA and ALF try so hard to shut down.
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Dredekea
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Tue Oct 07, 2003 7:00 pm
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to audmonkey, i don't know if you were talking about reps from the ASPCA or PETA, but IAMS couldn't have "cleaned up" that kind of thing for that investigation. PETA claims the animals were debarked, and that their overall physical condition was poor. it'd be hard to "clean up" that kind of thing. of course, the ASPCA found the animals to be in good condition and there were no debarked dogs.
that link i gave provides all the details if you're interested. someone should actually read that before deciding that PETA was in the right.
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audmonkey
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Tue Oct 07, 2003 9:34 pm
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I'm not looking to fight over this subject, but it is possible to hide things such as that. People will go to extremes when it comes down to getting arrested or getting bad press. IAMS has a lot of money, and with that they have a lot of power to get things done. Many companies and people with power and money do things I'm sure are extraordinarily immoral that we, the public, will never hear about. I don't know if IAMS does these things or not, but to be fair I think it would be wise to be skeptical of both reports. Yes, PETA could have gone overboard and exagerrated a lot of it, but there also could be things "hidden" from the ASPCA, deals made with them, etc. This world is an fucked up place, and these days its hard to know what to believe.
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Dredekea
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Tue Oct 07, 2003 9:47 pm
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i agree, i wasn't being defensive. research (animal research included) is an issue that is important to me and it is upsetting to see it misrepresented. especially by groups like PETA and ALF. sorry if i offended anyone, but animals have other uses than just being pets. they are important in research, agriculture, etc. their humane treatment is pertinent, of course, but i disagree with the extreme measures that animal rights activists take to "save" them, and i certainly don't think people should be sending them money. send money to the ASPCA (not to repeat myself)....but they are privately funded and don't try to manipulate people into sending donations.
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patt
I'm a Newbie!
Joined: Apr 26, 2005
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Fri May 27, 2005 4:37 pm
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No i think thats all a lie people make up things to start shit or something just gets blown out of proportion, i dont think that iams mistreats the animals or does anything purposely to hurt them.i beleave that iams is a well respected company and knows what there doing.Now i can understand about the animals getting sick but i dont think iams would ever even consider testing anything harmfull to the animals.besides all you people do is card stack you never look at the good side to anything just the bad.u all should be ashamed of yourselves for slandering iams.besides wtf r u gonna doi about it.write a letter in complaint ahahahahahah.
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JLW
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Fri May 27, 2005 4:51 pm
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I think the whole thing is bullshit. Just look at the "research associate's" name - Peter Wood. There's no way someone would actually name their child that, unless they wanted to raise a porn star.
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patt
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Fri May 27, 2005 7:36 pm
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aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh hahahahahahahahaha good point.
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Dewy
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Tue May 31, 2005 12:29 pm
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DEATH TO PETA!!!.... okay I'm done
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LEstay
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Tue May 31, 2005 1:11 pm
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wow someone brought this out of the grave...
PETA: people for the eating of tasty animals.
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