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rglove
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Sun May 08, 2005 3:38 pm
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When did Voluptuous (Thick) become Fat???
Thick, Voluptuous, these where great terms that describe very curvaceous women, unfortunately these fine terms have been distorted. There original meanings have been corrupted, by rampant misuse, and these misused and misplaced terminologies, in and where they are misused and misplace are taken, now, as truth, to be fact. Both terms describe a woman with pronounced, ample curves an and hourglass, coke bottle, like shape, with prominent Hips (Buttocks) and Chest (Breast), with a proportionally slim waistline, women who were meaty, no so much as overweight, but in possession of healthy, nice, curves, but now it seems that more than a few heartily overweight and even obese women are/have placed these monikers upon themselves and have freely used or should I say misused these terms to describe themselves, so much so that others have begun to do so, that their lies have become excepted and there fabrications, falsehoods, deceits are being seen, taken, as true, the truth.
Now, “Voluptuous” is usually applied to the Breast and “Thick” applied to the Buttocks (Butt) and Thighs, but they can also be applied to and define/describe the overall body, as in, “That girl is Thick curves in all the right places” or “Oh my Gawd, does she have a Voluptuous body, enough of everything and right where they should be”, and what I want to know is, when did they go from describing a “Dyme with Body” to someone “Plump or Chubby”, from describing a “Fly Honey Dip” to describing a “Fat Ass Chick!!!” What Happened???
Rule of Thumb:
If the difference between the size of your Waistline (Stomach) and your Chest and Hips (Buttocks) is less than 8”, than you might be a little “too meaty in the middle” to be called Voluptuous or Thick, and if the difference is less than 6”, you’re a “Plumber” most definitely and just too big to qualify.
If you’re Round, Ample and Shapely, in the Hips and Thighs, with a Slim Waistline, you can call yourself “Thick”. Add Large, Full, Round, Breast and you can also say you’re “Voluptuous”, but if there’s a “Big Ole” Stomach, then, you’re really neither.
But, if you’re Stomach sticks out further than your Breast or Buttocks, you're neither Thick nor Voluptuous, you’re just Fat!!!
The Proper Definitions of These Words:
Voluptuous: 1. Giving, characterized by, or suggesting ample, unrestrained pleasure to the senses. 2. Having a strong sexual appeal. 3. Having a large bosom or appealing curves. 4. Having a very attractive body. 5. Being full-bodied, curvy, large-bosomed, and appealing to the eyes of lesbian women or heterosexual men.
Thick: 1. Used to describe a Woman who is meaty, but not fat, and still, pretty, with a round but shapely figure (round in all the right spots). 2. Used to describe a girl who is big, but not fat, and has a very nice shape. 3. Nice booty; legs, especially nice thighs; but still small waist. 4. A girl who isn't fat or skinny, but is well proportioned, has enough meat on her bones in all the right places. 5. A woman with a perfect body, filled-in in places that are, by nature, designed to attract the opposite sex, such as the thighs, the hips, the breasts, and the most-lovely part of all, the Booty. 6. When a girl's body has weight on it, but not ugly, out of shape weight. More like medium and curvy. A round behind and firm, full legs is considered thick. 7. A woman with meat on her bones not so much that she’s overweight, but she has junk in the trunk. 8. Having more of a solid, muscular form, in the thighs, butt, legs, and MUST HAVE a small, flat waist. 9. Not skinny but not fat, having meaty legs, a nice, shapely butt, and large breast. 10.. A word used for a girl when she has a big butt and big thighs but is still shapely. 11. Not Fat and not Skinny.
Marilyn Monroe, considered in her time to be a voluptuous vixen, had a figure of 37-24-37 (1954). A woman measuring 36-26- 38 (with a C or D cup or higher most likely) is considered voluptuous, also measurements of 38-27-40 or 39-28-42 would be considered voluptuous – most especially if shapely.
“Thick”, as defined by the folks as assmatrix.com:
Thick is having more of a muscular base than a fat/sloppy one, especially in the midsection, nice shapely thighs and booty. No sloppy belly, muscular/well rounded but not jiggly jello thighs and must have a booty that doesn’t droop even without pants or panties that lift. If you don’t need any artificial enhancements but have naturally good looking waistline (no large amounts of blubber/chichos there), nice solid thighs, with no dents and a booty that is firm, that’s thick. Thighs have to look round, and can't have holes in them. When the thighs look full and not flabby or chunky, the effects are devastating. Some people say they're thick just because they have fat thighs but fat thighs aren't thick thighs. Also, THICK, goes by your frame's limits, NOT HOW MUCH MEAT YOU HAVE ON YOU! So a smaller lady can be THICK too. And an HOURGLASS FIGURE or FIGURE 8 is definitely considered thick. There are three places of emphasis that qualify a woman “Thick”, a nice WAISTLINE, nice ASS, and nice THIGHS. This is the ultimate combination for a “REAL THICK” woman. Thighs nice and full but not fat and full of holes are perfect example of being THICK.
So let's go through some illustrations on what is thick and what is not thick. First, what is thick? Ladies should be the ones to get this right, because you are just messing up the THICK CATEGORY to a point where you're defaming “REAL THICK” women. We're here to celebrate and appreciate THOSE bodies, not your fat ass. Thick is having more of a muscular base than a fat/sloppy one, especially in the midsection. Basically, see how tight the thighs of you fat chicks look when you put on tight pants and nothing jiggles around sloppily and there is nice shapely thighs and booty? You’d be THICK if you didn’t need the special pants to create that illusion of a good shape. This means no sloppy belly, must be muscular/well rounded but not jiggly jello thighs and must have a booty that doesn’t droop even without pants or panties that lift. If you don’t need any artificial enhancements but have naturally good looking waistline (no large amounts of blubber/chichos there), nice solid thighs with no dents and a booty that is firm, that’s thick. Also, THICK, goes by your frame's limits, NOT HOW MUCH MEAT YOU HAVE ON YOU! So a smaller lady can be THICK too. You chicks know what thick is, it’s that illusion you’re trying to create everyday when you try to get your ass in those stretch pants! The curves you're trying create! Your waistline, thighs and butt are in question when you talk about being “THICK” and if those aren't right, you can't say you're thick.
THICK: Slim Waistline, Nicely Accented Backsides, with the aid of Nice Shapely Thighs!
Celebrities with THICK forms: JLO, of course, Beyonce, Ashanti, Salma Hayek.
Too many people don't know what being Voluptuous or Thick is. There are tons of overweight and obese female improperly using these terms on themselves, calling themselves "Voluptuous" or "Thick" when their body size far exceed the requirements, the specifics of said terms. And far too may of us have begun to buy into their delusions and believe the lies. The madness has got to stop!!!
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Aim-Z
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ok...point of that unending post was?
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rglove
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| Aim-Z wrote: | | ok...point of that unending post was? |
Intent Behind Post:
I'm not trying to be venomous, mean, or nasty toward the "Pleasantly Plump". I have nothing against the "Buffalo Gals"- to use an old school term; I'm just trying to get people to see the error of their ways, and reform bad behavior. As I said, my problem is with the misuse of these terms, the mislabeling that gets done with them, much too often, and that those who misuse these terms should take sometime to learn about and understand the “Urban Vernacular” they're trying to use and not make themselves fools. An example: To describe myself, and some of my post, to those of you in this forum, I thought of using a word, which I was somewhat familiar with and had some knowledge of. A word that might be considered very trendy – in its use to describe edgy comedians - From what I knew – or thought I knew of its definition – it would fit for describing me (at least, what I sometimes, am) and the intent of/behind some of my post, the word “Irreverent”, but I didn’t really know its proper definition/meaning, so instead of misusing it, I looked it up.
Irreverent: Critical of what is generally accepted or respected; satirical: irreverent humor.
Satire: 1a. A literary work in which human vice or folly is attacked through irony, derision, or wit. b. The branch of literature constituting such works. See synonyms at caricature 2. Irony, sarcasm, or caustic wit used to attack or expose folly, vice, or stupidity.
And now, I know the proper context and meaning of the word and whether or not it applies to me, which in those moment of utter outrageousness, and total political incorrectness it does. And as I’ve took the time, to know the word/term and its meaning before applying to myself, I think, others should carry on the same practice, instead, of throwing around words/terms willy-nilly just because they think they know what they mean. I thought, I knew what Irreverent meant, but I still looked it up, before I practice using it, actually applied in real life context. Our society, our world, is filled with many happy folks of idiots. Hell, we’re all idiots, sometimes, and sometimes, being an idiot, well, it’s actually for the best, but I can not and in fact, will not state that this is one of those cases. Praise the happy idiot, but for what, how well they make fools of themselves!!! If my biting wit, sometimes, offends, I apologize for any hurt feelings, or scared egos, but I what I hope, most sincerely, is that those bruised lighten the F*ck up!!!
Thank You & Enjoy!!! With Laughter, Love, Levity, Sarcasm, and Satire, RGLove.
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rglove
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Truth in Labeling!!!
I don’t have a problem with the specific terms, nor do I have anything against bigger girls. My problem is with the misuse of these terms, the mislabeling that gets done, much too often. Now, I’m of average height for a guy, above 5’8” and not above 6ft. and I’m what most would consider good looking and I’m also dark skinned (being that I’m Afro-American), and what I’m stating here would be like me saying I’m tall, dark, and handsome, when I don’t really qualify as being tall, or with say, I lived in my parents basement, with no real privacy at all, but I had my own separate entrance to go in and outside the house but there was nothing separating where I resided from the rest of the house (no lock on the door that separated the basement from the upstairs), which my parents occupied and me say I have my own place!!!! Come on now!!! My gripe is with the mislabeling that get done with these terms. They are part of the Vernacular of Urban Slang and had specific meaning, when applied to a female, but those intended meanings are being messed up, corrupted. Check out The Urban Dictionary and see there intended meanings;
http://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...m=Thick&r=f
http://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...uptuous&r=f
See, why I have a gripe. It’s nothing against bigger girls. I’m not trying to hinder their ability to feel confident in there own skin. If you’re a Big girl and proud to be, be proud, but that thing is with the misplacing of these term the ones who do it are trying to fit in, fall under the curve, when they’re clearly above it. These terms were and one might say still are hot. They were common words adapted to describe a healthily proportioned, yet still slim-waist girl/female, and they became hot terms, as I fore mentioned, and when something’s hot it seems, everybody want to be part of the trend, so the overweight female started to use these terms on themselves, because they wanted to be trendy, as well. They wanted to be what was hot and since these terms were hot, they adapted them for there own use, there own description. They started starting about how they were Voluptuous, Thick, because they felt left behind, left out, and they craved acceptance from others, more that they valued accepting themselves and being comfortable in their own skin. I was just ranting about the loss of purity, of those slang terms, originally used to describe ye females of the physically gifted physiques, and now seem to be thrown around to anybody!!!
Truth in Labeling, that's all I asks for!!!
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Dewy
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and here we have several marvels of modern science. Lets keep in mind that these pictures are all from modern day women, and these words weren't formed during modern day times. Back when these words were formed, there weren't super models to be the living examples of perfection (body-wise) and display what it ment to be Voluptuous. See, you yourself have distorted the meaning of the words. And I shall avail to correct these errors.
First and foremost, those are simply examples of what YOU think are thick or voluptuous women.
when I think of a thick, I think of thick. Not voluptuous. I had a thick girlfriend once... bad idea... now I have a voluptuous girlfriend... GOOD idea. She may not be as pristene as your porn-site pics, but it doesn't change the fact that she is indeed voluptuous. Voluptuous indicates to the shape of the woman, not the weight of the woman. Although that will affect her appearance. If she is voluptuous her waist will be smaller than her hips and chest. And she will have some good headlights, maybe not high beams, but you can thank gravity for that. If they are high beams, they are most likely fake. She will also have some nice trunk space. Not perfect, but nice. It takes time and effort to have a nice ass, and some girls just don't have that much time to worry about it. They have more important thigs to do, like getting a job at somewhere other than a strip bar.
The most important thing you said was: pleasing to the eye. People have different tastes, not all of them have to be flawless. And to say that in order to be voluptuous you have to be flawless is idiotic. My girlfriend may not be perfect, but she is a babe, a voluptuous babe at that...
personally, I think you just have a butt fetish. That's what all the pictures focus on. Ass ass and more ass. You dont need to be skinny to be voluptuous, thats just more modern brainwashing for girls. Being obscenely over wheight isn't good either. But sometimes you can't help but be large. You should try to be "healthy". That means proper eating and exercise. If you lose weight or not, who cares? Be happy with yourself.
More power to the larger women. More cushion for the pushin. And keep your skank hoes to yourself.
(it may have been more idiotic to reply to this post than it was to start this post -_-)
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Dewy
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hmmm... again I'm going to drop below my own level to comment on this post.
Today, voluptuous and thick arent applied to slim waisted girls... that would be "hot", "sexy", "slim", and others that I do not know but am sure exsist. If I were to walk up to a "sexy" girl and call her thick in the sense you have defined for us, I would be: slapped, kneed, punched, kicked, or ultimately beat the fuck out of. Ask anyone on the street what an example of thick might be and they would probably say some of these: elephant, rhino, hippo, subway sandwiches, pace sauce, ragu sauce, fat people, need I go on?
Language evolves. Accept it. No amount of ranting or more precisely bitching, is going to change that. In old english times fat was in. Fat ment wealth, health, and an over all good time. That was the case in a percentage of situations. Not all of them. Such is the case with today.
Voluptuous is a reference to shape. Thick is a reference to size. it is possible to be voluptuous and thick. As long as you have that definitive voluptuous shape. If you're thick enough to be round, then you arent voluptuous.
but hey, while you're on this crusade against mislabling, why not start a post on the mislabling of gays? Gay means to be happy, not fruity in sexual preference. Why not deal with that? In other words, shut your mouth. Learn the dynamics of language before you comment on how much you hate certain things about it. Fag. That's right, I called you a bundle of sticks with the purpose of being burned.
No matter what you do, say, or believe, large women can be, and are voluptuous.
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Aim-Z
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omg such an asshole..looking way too far into the lingo
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I like women smaller than me. That's just my preference.
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i'll hit almost anything especially if i have enough to drink.
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Dewy
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| phoAm wrote: | | I like women smaller than me. That's just my preference. |
how big are you? J/K yes, personal preference is important. So  to anyone who thinks other wise. 
And not that I'm trying to mock fat people, but fat people with fat people shirts are the best. I saw a fat dude in the union once with a shirt that said: "hug me, I'm squishy", and a chick with a shirt that said: "I beat anerexia". Those are probably old and known by all, but it was the first time I'd ever seen em.
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I am of medium frame.. 150 lbs.. 5'10".. I workout but not religiously.
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Hahaha yes! I love those shirts!
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rglove
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| Dewy wrote: | and here we have several marvels of modern science. Lets keep in mind that these pictures are all from modern day women, and these words weren't formed during modern day times. Back when these words were formed, there weren't super models to be the living examples of perfection (body-wise) and display what it ment to be Voluptuous. See, you yourself have distorted the meaning of the words. And I shall avail to correct these errors.
First and foremost, those are simply examples of what YOU think are thick or voluptuous women.
when I think of a thick, I think of thick. Not voluptuous. I had a thick girlfriend once... bad idea... now I have a voluptuous girlfriend... GOOD idea. She may not be as pristene as your porn-site pics, but it doesn't change the fact that she is indeed voluptuous. Voluptuous indicates to the shape of the woman, not the weight of the woman. Although that will affect her appearance. If she is voluptuous her waist will be smaller than her hips and chest. And she will have some good headlights, maybe not high beams, but you can thank gravity for that. If they are high beams, they are most likely fake. She will also have some nice trunk space. Not perfect, but nice. It takes time and effort to have a nice ass, and some girls just don't have that much time to worry about it. They have more important thigs to do, like getting a job at somewhere other than a strip bar.
The most important thing you said was: pleasing to the eye. People have different tastes, not all of them have to be flawless. And to say that in order to be voluptuous you have to be flawless is idiotic. My girlfriend may not be perfect, but she is a babe, a voluptuous babe at that...
personally, I think you just have a butt fetish. That's what all the pictures focus on. Ass ass and more ass. You dont need to be skinny to be voluptuous, thats just more modern brainwashing for girls. Being obscenely over wheight isn't good either. But sometimes you can't help but be large. You should try to be "healthy". That means proper eating and exercise. If you lose weight or not, who cares? Be happy with yourself.
More power to the larger women. More cushion for the pushin. And keep your skank hoes to yourself.
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First of the examples I gave were for "Thick", as define, in the prominent urban vernacular of today. I couldn't find enough of a base of modern models/celebrities that accurately fit the definition of "Voluptuous", who weren't marvels of modern plastic surgery, or overweight. As I mentioned voluptuous is applied, usually, when a women has large, full, breast, along with other curves, such as hips and thighs, but most of the women with ample bosoms along with large, curvy hips and thighs are either Fat or have Fakes, so, I thusly couldn't fine enough modern women who fit the Voluptuous bill/built. Marilyn Monroe was Voluptuous with her 37-24-37 frame. Kristy Alley used to be. Anna Nicole Smith was a great example of Voluptuous, back in her vixen hay day, but then she got fat, as Kristy Alley also did. She lost the weight, as Kristy Alley is trying to do. And although you could, if you wanted to, call Kristy Alley Voluptuous, there's a reason she titled her show, "Fat Actress". Now, you state it is only in our modern times that slim has come into play with/in being Voluptuous. I say to you, there's a reason the Corset was invented in medieval time. The effect of The Corset was to accentuate the chest and hips, while sliming the waistline, accenting, thusly, the overall curves, Voluptuous Appeal of a woman. We men, most especially, have always admired, loved, curves on a woman, which slim waistline accentuate greatly. Now, a woman doesn't have to be skinny wafer thin, but her waistline does have to be slim, in proportion to the curves she has - i.e. her chest and thighs, hips. There was a time that men aimed to have ladies with the tiniest waists imaginable. Then, they realized that on the right lady, with ample chest, hips, and thighs, the smallest of waistlines wasn’t necessary. The emphasis then became on the curves themselves, the overall body proportions of a female, on how the midsection compared/ corresponded to the upper and lower half. That defined sexy and that is how we got the terms HOURGLASS FIGURE or FIGURE 8.
A little Corset History:
http://www.eucosy.org/uk/corset/history/
During the gothic period (14th century), long and slim shapes had been "in" - not only for steeples but for people too. Ladies used to wear long and tight fitting clothes. Some experts speculate on very vague hints, that bandages had supported the visible slimness. That's quite reasonable, because female vanity existed at all times. However, no proven evidence is available.
At the end of the 15th century, front-laced bodices occurred, stiffened with strengthened fabric and sometimes even with wires of brass.
To come to the point: corsets did not exist in those days! We have neither physical evidence nor a written text or any other proof for something that deserves that description. What we know about these former civilizations and their societies is that some of them aspired to small waists as an ideal, expressing it in their art. Best known is the minoic civilization, based on Crete (a beautiful greek island) between 3000 and 1400 BC.
See, the admiration of a slim waistline on a woman is not a modern phenomenon, at all. All through out the ages men have admired slim waistlines and women have tried to achieve them, or at least, the appearance thereof. A slim waistline naturally heightens the appearance of a woman’s curves. And although it’s not a slim waistline that makes a woman Voluptuous, it sure helps in accenting that. The fact is, plainly, the difference between a full breasted woman and a woman who is just fat and therefore in possession of a big chest is how slim the waistline is in comparison. Yes, these days, a woman with a figure, such as 40” – 36” – 44” is seen as, called, by many Voluptuous and that argument can be made, but I would note the absence of overall shapeliness, proportional contour, the lack of over all symmetry. The waistline protrudes out too much – taking away from the Voluptuousness of her curves!!! The bigger the waistline the less the curves are accentuated, the smaller the waistline the more. A slim waistline has always been in vogue, why because it accentuates feminine curves, and we appreciate feminine curves. It need not be the slimest of waistline, but proportionally slim, when compared to and in correspondence with the hips and chest. And for a lady/female to be called Voluptuous, I point out the importance of her being proportionally well-balanced, and that is rather difficult with a overhanging gut. We do agree though, as to a "Voluptuous" womam's waistline being smaller than her hips and chest. I geuss, our difference is in how much.
Voluptuous to me:
36-22-36 (C cup or above most likely)
36-23-38 (C cup or higher most optimally)
37-24-37
36-26- 38 (C, D cup or higher most likely)
38-27-40
39-28-42
38-30 -42
See. the waistlines they are all slim, not all wafer slim either, but slim in comparison to the measurements of the hips and chest, proportionally slim when looked at in correspondence with those two. I think to qualifly as Voluptuous, the difference between a woman's chest and waistline should be more than 8" and the difference between her hips and waist line should be more than 10", and she should be ample, in both the hip and chest area.
p.s. To your point, yes, I am an ass man, but I appreciate the smmerty and contour of the overall female body!!!
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LEstay
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