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LSUGraduate2002
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Joined: Sep 29, 2004
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Tue Jun 07, 2005 9:04 am
Post subject: Fire Smoke Laval |
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Dear Skip Bertman,
Please hire us a coach that actually will do something to fire up the team. No team has done less with more over the last four years. Laval is the most overrated coach in the SEC. The players show up with a lacksidaisical attitude which comes straight from the coach. The team can't do simple fundamentals such as bunting, fielding a bunt, throwing a runner out at 2nd base trying to steal, etc... This year LSU was supposed to be loaded and somehow couldn't even win their own home regional losing to a WAC team for the 2nd time in 4 years. Looking at next year, I expect an even worse season based upon losing our 1B(Gil), 2B(C. Harris), SS(Hebert), LF(Patterson), RF(Stavinoah), SP(Mesterpay), SP(Smith), RP(Detterman), RP(Faircloth at least I think he was a senior this year). Of LSU's 12 recruits at least half of them are expected to get drafted high enough to go pro out of high school so they won't be a help. At this point I would trade Laval for ANY other baseball coach in the SEC including Kentucky's since Kentucky's is actually making that team better as opposed to making it worse like Laval is doing to LSU.
Fans are not enthusiastic over Laval as evidenced by a 17% drop in attendance this year from last(from The Advocate's numbers). In the postseason, LSU had only 1 game that drew over 5,000 fans which was the Saturday loss to Rice. For LSU's 4 games, the actual turnstile count consisted of only 19000 fans over 4 games which included 6631 for that Saturday game. This means that of LSU's 3 other tournament games only 4123 showed up on average. This is unacceptable being that LSU is supposed to set the benchmark on fan attendance across the country. Skip please give us a SEC caliber head coach for baseball instead of some Sunbelt conference coach that lucked up and had a MLB ACE pitcher help make his record look better than how it should've been just like Curly Hallman at Southern Miss when he had a future NFL Hall of Fame QB lead his team.
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LEstay
All Around Nice Guy
Joined: Jun 09, 2004
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Tue Jun 07, 2005 9:42 am
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*sniff*
That brought a tear to my eye.
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AWE
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Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:19 pm
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Smoke Laval and Sean O'Keefe are Moustache buddies.
 
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JasonB
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Tue Jun 07, 2005 5:02 pm
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I really don't understand the mind of the LSU fan. We are lucky enough to have one of the top 20 sports programs in the country, and all they do is bitch and bitch and bitch.
This year, LSU finished in the top 16 in 11 different sports. What would happen if this was Kentucky, and all they had to look forward to was Men's Basketball?
Yeah, I'm upset that we lost in the Regional this weekend, and yeah, i'm upset that we lack fundamentals at times, but you can't base an entire season on one weekends games. You can't throw the season away and forget that we did win 40 games, and were co champs of the hardest division in the hardest conference. Same thing with Basketball.
Bitch all you want, but what are you going to do if the football team slips to 6-6 one year and misses a bowl game? What are you going to do when the baseball team doesn't host, let alone make a regional. LSU was one of 2 teams to be in EVERY super regional since that format started. I really don't think it's time to throw in the towel now.
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LEstay
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Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:19 pm
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As said at a Family Dinner, Smoke Laval is the only person who wont get fired before Les Miles.
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Norris
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Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:53 pm
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No one's throwing in the towel, but LSU is one of the top Athletic Schools in the country and to not meet expectations is unacceptable to a fan. LSU had the talent to make it to the College World Series and lost because of stupid mistakes. I doubt any of the LSU baseball players are saying "at least we won forty games." I expect all sports to be in the top ten always, cause that is the talent level of our athletes. Except soccer, volleyball, swimming, etc.
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LSUGraduate2002
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Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:28 pm
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Yeah, I'm upset that we lost in the Regional this weekend, and yeah, i'm upset that we lack fundamentals at times, but you can't base an entire season on one weekends games. You can't throw the season away and forget that we did win 40 games, and were co champs of the hardest division in the hardest conference. Same thing with Basketball.
Bitch all you want, but what are you going to do if the football team slips to 6-6 one year and misses a bowl game? What are you going to do when the baseball team doesn't host, let alone make a regional. LSU was one of 2 teams to be in EVERY super regional since that format started. I really don't think it's time to throw in the towel now. |
As far as I'm concerned this season was a waste with the LSU baseball team. The previous 3 years we lost in the super regional to Rice in 2 games and went 2 and bbq at Omaha. While I felt those teams should've done better, things happen. Even with those teams, I never got the feeling that the team was playing "better" because of the coach. Instead, as I've maintained before the team was winning IN SPITE OF the coach.
I would venture a wild guess and state that you could make an argument that Smoke is only the 5th or 6th best coach in the STATE much less in the entire SEC. I would rate Tulane's, Southern's, ULL's, Northwestern's, and Southeastern's coaches at or better than Smoke. At each of those other schools you find the teams getting better each year, while LSU just continues to go down the drain. Personally I would have preferred Cador(Southern's head coach) to take over for Bertman because that man has done more with less than any other school I can think of. He had all the credentials as far as being experienced, having had success, knowing the local recruiting area, and knowing how to make his team get better as the season went on. I will admit that at the time Smoke was hired that he was a better short term choice than Bianco since Bianco had not proven himself yet in my opinion although I would love to see LSU get him to come coach here next year.
I've had season tickets since 1985 and have been at most of the home games every year sitting in the grand stand. For you to state that I'm using one regional as the basis for the entire season is ludicious. As a high school baseball coach, I've seen high school teams that played better defense, ran the bases better, and fielded better than this "talented" team. While LSU could hit some long balls, the lack of fundamentals for fielding, baserunning, and bunting have been at LSU since Smoke came aboard. LSU was the preseason #2 team in the entire country based on the fact that LSU was returning 8 of their top 9 pitchers along with 6 of their 9 hitters in the lineup. When such a "veteran" club is still committing the same stupid fundamental mistakes that have been apparant the last few years, the blame goes back to the head coach.
In regards to the other sports, I'm actually willing to give Brady one more year to get to the 2nd round of the NCAA's without canning him since his team did get better down the stretch last year until they fell apart against UAB. If he fizzles out again in the first round of the NCAA's or doesn't even make the NCAA's than I will say he needs to go based upon the fact that he has been here going on 9 seasons I believe and we've only gotten out of the first round one time and made the ncaa's 2 or 3 other times in that entire timespan which is unacceptable.
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JasonB
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Tue Jun 07, 2005 8:01 pm
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lsu baseball has gone down the drain? I really don't think so.
There is also a big increase in the parity of NCAA baseball teams.
Yeah, Roger Cador at Southern has done alot, but look at the competition. The schools in the SWAC have crap for talent. Yes southern beat us this year, but we went at them with horrible pitchers. Same thing with teams like Northwestern State, ULL, SLU and even Tulane. Those teams play in pretty lame conferences where the top 2-3 teams are decent, but below that is crap. The SEC is loaded.
wait, did you say LSU baseball went down the drain? Again, this is my point where the expectations of LSU fans are just too damn high. When a team goes 40-22 and that is considered going "down the drain" that is just bullshit.
yeah, LSU was the number 2 preseason team, but preseason rankings don't mean shit in any sport. Do you know who is #2 now? Oregon State. Do you know what they were ranked in preseason? They were not even in the top 50. So, that shows the weight of a preseason poll.
so, you are a high school coach? Maybe you should apply for the LSU job. you seem to like to run your mouth alot and you obviously think you could do better. Give them a call...
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LSUGraduate2002
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Tue Jun 07, 2005 8:19 pm
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You really have a lot of room to tell someone else that they "like to run their mouth." As I stated earlier, the team wins in spite of the coach rather than the coach. While those other schools may play in "lousy" conferences, if you followed baseball each of those teams have gotten better the last few years instead of doing the same old garbage that LSU has done under Smoke. Northwestern beat 2 of the "national" seeds this year. Tulane is the top ranked team in the country in one of the polls. Southern beat LSU and gave Tulane a game in what was supposed to be a rebuilding year for them. ULL was the 2nd best team in the state until they ran into injuries down the stretch with their top 2 starting pitchers. Southeastern won its most games in a long time. All LSU did was finish wiht its worse record since I think 1985 and fail to advance out of their own home regional for the first time since 1995. Yep LSU sure had a good year for most schools, but for what is supposed to be the PREMIER program in the country this season would be a failure based on what they had coming back after the 2 and bbq edition in 2004 at the world series.
I think Smoke is just in a job that is too big for him. Nice fellow, but he just isn't up to par with the rest of the other SEC coaches in coaching ability. Go back to ULM and coach for 20 more years Smoke or stay here and continue to burn in the hot seat until you finally get burnt.
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