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rwnugent
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Mon Sep 12, 2005 7:48 pm
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Embattled FEMA Director Mike Brown Resigns
By Ron Fournier
The Associated Press
Monday 12 September 2005
Washington - Federal Emergency Management Agency director Mike Brown said Monday he has resigned "in the best interest of the agency and best interest of the president," three days after losing his onsite command of the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.
Brown, under fire for FEMA's performance in the Gulf Coast, said he feared he had become a distraction.
"The focus has got to be on FEMA, what the people are trying to do down there," Brown told The Associated Press.
His decision was not a surprise. Brown was abruptly recalled to Washington on Friday, a clear vote of no confidence from his superiors at the White House and the Homeland Security Department. Brown had been roundly criticized for FEMA's sluggish response to the hurricane, which has caused political problems for Bush and fellow Republicans. He also was accused of padding his resume, which Brown denied Friday.
The president ducked questions about Brown's resignation. "Maybe you know something I don't know. I've been working," the president said to reporters on an inspection tour of damage in Gulfport, Miss. Bush said he planned to talk with Brown's boss, Homeland Security Director Michael Chertoff, from Air Force One on the flight back to Washington.
"There will be plenty of time to figure out what went right and what went wrong," Bush said.
Polls show most Americans believe Bush could have done more to help Katrina's victims, though they also blame leaders of Louisiana and New Orleans. Bush's overall job approval rating is at the lowest point of his presidency.
House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi called Brown's departure long overdue.
"His resignation is the right thing for the country and for the people of the Gulf Coast states," she said in a statement.
Brown, who said he last talked to Bush five or six days ago, said the resignation was his idea. He spoke Saturday to White House chief of staff Andy Card, who did not request his departure, according to Brown.
"I'm turning in my resignation today," Brown said. "I think it's in the best interest of the agency and the best interest of the president to do that and get the media focused on the good things that are going on, instead of me."
Shortly after Brown was recalled to Washington last week, officials close to the FEMA director said he would probably resign. They said that even before Katrina, Brown had been planning on leaving the administration late this fall to go into the private sector.
that's par for course. unqualified republican gets chest puffing job. has to actually do something, screws it up severely and then quits so the media will lay off bush.
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Sunny
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Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:31 am
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Its not just a republican thing, its an all walks of life thing.
People need to wake up and realize that the assholes running the country, are the same assholes you work with, the same assholes stuck in traffic around you, and the same assholes you hate.
Considering all of that, we shouldn't be shocked at what went wrong, we should be amazed at what went right.
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JasonB
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Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:22 pm
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um, what did go right?
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Sunny
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Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:24 pm
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80% of the city got evacuated before the storm.
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JasonB
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hmm, that must mean 80% of new orleans has fucking eyes and ears....and can see, and listen to their mayor when he says
GET
THE
FUCK
OUT
OF
TOWN...
in all honesty...the other 20% who thought they could "ride out the storm" and who supposedly dont know ANYONE with a vehicle that they could get out of town with...they don't deserve to live.
I kinda feel sorry for the people who were stuck in the superdome. They at least listened to the mayor, and got on the bus the day before the storm hit.
But the lazy fuckers who decided to sit on their couch, instead of getting on the bus...deserve to still be on their couch...10 feet under water....
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Trunks
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Tue Sep 13, 2005 6:11 pm
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| Sunny wrote: | Its not just a republican thing,
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You are right it’s a current administration thing.
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its an all walks of life thing. |
I refuse to believe that. Our leaders are supposed to represent and serve the people. I don’t think most people in this country would put a job related quarrel before an increased risk to 1000’s of lives.
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People need to wake up and realize that the assholes running the country, are the same assholes you work with, the same assholes stuck in traffic around you, and the same assholes you hate.
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I don’t know where you are trying to go with that ...
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rwnugent
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Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:06 pm
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He's giving up on all the past posts of loyal support for Bush.
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Sunny
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If you actually believe that politicians are better than the average person, you need to wake up and say hello to reality. If you don't believe it, just look at the last democrat president.
He cheated on his wife, lied under oath, and was in general a fat mcdonalds eating slob. He was your buddy from the next cube over.
Bush is the manager that got promoted because he was a member of the family even tho he really didn't have qualifications.
Reagan was the old guy who always had good advice and a kind word, even though sometimes he seemed a little off.
Kennedy was the youg handsome exec who is intelligent and on the move.
Nixon is the creepy looking guy who everyone thinks is a little strange.
Carter is the guy everyone knows is strange.
The government runs exactly like any other corporation. Maybe someday you will work in management in corporate america and know exactly what its all about.
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Trunks
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Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:29 pm
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| Sunny wrote: | | The government runs exactly like any other corporation. Maybe someday you will work in management in corporate america and know exactly what its all about. |
I have worked for several large corporations. I have also worked for the government in defense and civil works.
I would not say any of the place I have worked at had the same corporate environment or ran the same. Therefore to say that the government runs exactly like any other corporation can not be true.
Companies are run differently:
Different government offices run differently.
I would not go as far to say they have similar type differences even.
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Trunks
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Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:32 pm
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| Sunny wrote: | | If you actually believe that politicians are better than the average person, you need to wake up and say hello to reality. ... |
I dont think anyone was saying that. [that politicans are better people]
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Sunny
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| Trunks wrote: |
I have worked for several large corporations. I have also worked for the government in defense and civil works.
I would not say any of the place I have worked at had the same corporate environment or ran the same. Therefore to say that the government runs exactly like any other corporation can not be true.
Companies are run differently:
Different government offices run differently.
I would not go as far to say they have similar type differences even. |
What management experience do you have? How long did you do this?
What was the procurement procedures you had to use? How many meetings do you have to go thru before you get approval to even plan you project?
I have been in this for 12 years now. Management and the way things get done is EXACTLY the same.
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Sunny
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I dont think anyone was saying that. |
You aren't very good at this...I said it, and then you disagreed with it. You really should start paying attention.
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Trunks
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| Sunny wrote: |
I have been in this for 12 years now. Management and the way things get done is EXACTLY the same. |
In what?
We will have to agree to disagree.
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Rather than list my resume I will give you examples and address your points.
Once, I was an engineering manager at a large telco/isp. I worked above five supervisors, who each had field teams. I spent less than 2 hours a week in meetings. I was not a project manager, so I did not have to present ideas for a provable. I did not do any procurement personally (other than company lunches and getting stuff out of a stocked closet). If my supervisors or teams needed anything they would buy it with a corporate credit card (if it was on a list) and deal with the procurement people themselves. If it as on the list and not more than a particular value it was fine. If it was greater I would review it. Once a week I would get a report on costs, I would discuses the supervisors if I thought that the crews where spending too much money on something, and what to do next time to try to meet the goals of the budget. If we went over budget it might mean the company made less profits, or that we simply did more work than was expected. If I had a crew that needed something (below a given $ value) they would just go buy it. The supervisor might mention it to me or I might just see it in a report.
Later I worked on contract for a Navy project. I knew exactly how much money the project had and we had no acceptable reason for going over. If we ran out of money for the month we would stop working on the project and do something else. If I wanted anything I had to write a note to the Navy officer in change of the project, before it went to him my civilian boss would review it. Once approved I would then fill out forms send that form to an administrator to make sure it looked ok, then Navy procurement would place an order from an approved list of places. If at that stage no one on the list had the thing I needed or did what needed, I would have to find a firm that did, contact them my self, ask them to contact the Navy to get on an approved vendor list. Then after they made the list then we could order it. This was all to spend money that we were already approved to spend.
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My experience is that private companies can give managers and workers much more flexibility and control over purchases. Managers in private companies must evaluate actions to make profits and serve the customers. Government projects decisions must be evaluate projects for the goals of the project too, but the goals are normally not to make profits. This alone changed the mode of operations and culture of the workplace.
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Sunny
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Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:26 pm
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Do you even read replies before you post something that has nothing to do with the topic?
Experience working in management for Publicly Traded Companies. It runs exactly like government. I have worked in them for 12 years. The government runs exactly the same way, if you want something you have to go through the proper channels and follow protocal. Working on the IT end of things, they weren't concerned about making money on us, they were concerned about spending money on us.
Government works the same way, they only worry about the spending. If you don't think the government perpetuates itself thru beaurocracy much the same way that upper management does you need look no farther than the Sorbaines Oxley Act which governs Public Companies.
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Trunks
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Wed Sep 14, 2005 4:34 pm
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| Sunny wrote: |
Experience working in management for Publicly Traded Companies. It runs exactly like government. I have worked in them for 12 years. |
You have experience in publicly traded companies, not in government. I have experience in both and private industry.
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The government runs exactly the same way, if you want something you have to go through the proper channels and follow protocal. |
What proper channels and protocols are drastically different for different corporations, more so the corporate attitude (assholeness on the Sunny scale).
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Working on the IT end of things, they weren't concerned about making money on us, they were concerned about spending money on us.
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That just proves that your company did not have is objectives in line, also that may explain why it is confusing for you, every part of the company should be concerned with adding to (or protecting) the value of the business .
The Sarbanes-Oxley Act and how it affects industry really just shows that legislators what to secure the markets from fraud, and that auditors are overzealous. It really has little to do with management style, unless your company chooses to use its managers to do internal audits. Nothing says that they must do that, and infact many corporations do not use their managers to do the auditing they use the procurement department, accounting, or some other group.
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People need to wake up and realize that the assholes running the country, ...Maybe someday you will work in management in corporate america and know exactly what its all about...I have been in this for 12 years now...assholes...asholes...assholes |
All I can think is working in a cube must be getting to you.
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