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rwnugent
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Sat Oct 08, 2005 12:23 pm
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Pres. Bush has nominated his White House counsel and former personal attorney Harriet Miers to replace Sandra Day O'Connor on the Supreme Court. She has no experience as judge and no one seems to know where she stands on any constitutional issues. Even most of his own party members have openly questioned or rejected this decision. I know that politics especially in the last few years have seen numerous cases of people of questionable experience and competence being appointed to prominent positions in the government but now Pres. Bush is bucking his own party in trying to do what seems to be a personal favor.
I realize that Bush is now a lame duck president but it seems that he is intentionally trying to run this administration in the ground. Is he angry because his time in office has shown so many inadequacies and incompetence in dealing with everything domestic problems to foreign relations? We now have Tom Delay indicted in Texas. Karl Rove has exposed the identity of one of our own clandestine agents and Michael Brown totally dropped the ball on the Katrina disaster. Let's not forget about the war in Iraq which it now turns out was started under false pretenses and there is now a list of reasons for starting it and they have to change the reason on a monthly basis hoping to keep support for it. None of the reasons holds water in any way anymore. Colin Powell has admitted that he was railroaded into selling the war to our allies, which become fewer everyday it seems.
Unbeleivable as it is there are a few former hardcore Republicans that I know that now question why they ever supported George Bush in the first place. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this subject.
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Mrbandalifegsr
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Sun Oct 09, 2005 12:41 am
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In four years, when we elect the next republican, everything will be ok and Canada will be more like France than ever.
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LEstay
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Sun Oct 09, 2005 6:52 pm
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Well said... but it'll be 3 years and 1 month.
I'm afraid of the future.
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phoAm
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Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:44 pm
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I'm voting communist.
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Tombo
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 6:22 am
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| LEstay wrote: | Well said... but it'll be 3 years and 1 month.
I'm afraid of the future. |
Don't be, the future is bright. But yeah it's gona be a while. And whoever up there thinks another Republican is going to be elected ANYTIME soon might want to think that over. I mean I would imagine the right doesn't have a prayer in '08 after all of the crap we've been forced to buy from them in eight years in Washington. If I had a vote, which I do I would have to no choice but to vote against anything they have to offer. It's just common sense.
Alright here's some more..
Bush's re-election campaign was based on one sneaky yet simple tactic to secure his victory. That strategy is called "family values". Now that means many things to many people but basically millions of simple simons from the south were all over it. I guess because it.. sounded good to them at the time? Man the south found something good about Bush, I couldn't believe the entire southeast voted red, while New York, California among others were votes for Kerry/Edwards. I'm telling ya it was close..
From what I understand Bush's message was "I'm a churchgoing, humble guy, I'm not.. by any means perfect but a lot of you can identify with me and that's why I want your vote. If you don't vote for me you must be some kind of monster who wants gay people to marry, Saddam to nuke the galaxy, and other horrible things."
When in reality he was fortunate enough to be a rich guy in college (C/D student) with a lot of pulled political strings to get him out of DWI's, and public intox charges. And he did coke at some point. Now that's okay for a Cuban drug lord named Tony, or a BMW dealership owner but I don't know about a president. Are ya with me.. I mean for real
John Kerry basically showed everyone nationwide in clear detail at three seperate debates what he was going to do to fix many negative things like the economy, the Iraq war, (mostly mistakes from Bush's first term) but for some reason the final count wasn't the landslide for Kerry I expected, it was very slim in Bush's favor hell I still can't believe he won. Then there's freakin' Ohio.. Man.. That sucks. Just like Florida in 2K.
As for recent mistakes in addition to discouraging approval ratings, there's Scooter Libby and Tom DeLay. Who knows how deep this thing goes. Honest good ol boys my ass they tricked a lot of people. Hell I can't say I blame em though, it worked, they're in office.. And I'll sit and stomach it for another three years and change. I didn't think I'd have to but what other choice do I have. Though Vancouver seems like a more appealing place to live everyday.
I do want to thank the Bush adminstration for a free sonic burger with mustard the day after election day last year. Sonic on O'Neal was running a special to give away burgers in exchange for campaign yard signs. I immediately jacked my neighbors' bush sign and got my burger. I had no campaign signs or stickers or the like of my own, so It was as if instinct took over. But the gas it cost my truck to get there might have ruled it not worthy of the cause in the first place..
Gas is.. going down, slowly but nonetheless If there's anything good to take away from this.
FACT: Senator Landrieu pushed legislation to increase funding for research and development of New Orleans' levees a few years ago. Bush shut it down. The war on terror was the #1 priority. Which yeah it sounded great at the time we wanted to get these guys that showed up one Tuesday morning and caught our ass off guard and hijacked those planes and caused all of that destruction but clearly other concerns deserved some of the pie as well.
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LEstay
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 11:36 am
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Bush was reelected because of moral values. We Christians came out in force to make sure that the evil of two lessers was not put into office. In '08, if it's Hillary v Condi, I believe the Republicans have a great chance. If it's Hillary v anyone else, Lord help us!
On the gas thing: we need more refineries, yet there hasnt been a new one in over 20 years. The reason: environmentalists and the EPA. It take so freaking long and so much money to apply for a permit, then the enviros want to stop it because "it damages the earth." It's no longer a worthwhile investment to build a new one. People could also quit buying SUVs or cut down on their gas usage. Why complain about $3 gasoline when you buy bottled water for $1 and coffee for $5?
On the levees:
FACT: Several Louisiana officials were indicted for embezzling funds earmarked for levee maintenance.
FACT: Louisiana fucked up in maintaining the levee.
FACT: Even if the levees didnt break it could have still flooded.
My sources (probably in no particular order):
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/9/6/222032.shtml
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/Archive/200509/NAT20050907a.html
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/9/12/210912.shtml
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Norris
Mr. Negative Nancy
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 12:41 am
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| LEstay wrote: | Well said... but it'll be 3 years and 1 month.
I'm afraid of the future. |
Fuck that, dude. I'm afraid of now. The future is going to suck no matter who's running the country.
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Tombo
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 7:49 am
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^ Well you go run and hide, I'm gonna keep smokin trees and making money. And i'm going to do it while I'm voting democrat and flying the American flag in my frontyard.
| LEstay wrote: | | Bush was reelected because of moral values. We Christians came out in force to make sure that the evil of two lessers was not put into office. |
Yeah I get that, but through concealed agendas and deceptive politics? Sounds like you bought right into it. Kerry pointed this out, and in a political arena, (where team Bush plays) it's simply unprofessional and out of bounds for one guy to legislate his or her particular faith upon someone else.
You wouldn't work at Foot Locker and tell everyone that tries shoes on that being Hindu is good and if you're not you're a bad person so why should politicans get to? This is not a one-sided neandrathal nation in the middle east where there is only one church, and one higher power. Last I checked, you can worship however you want in America.
Every local and state government in the country, big and small knows that, hell it's automatic. Even the founding fathers recognized and encouraged church and state separation, it's the only way to cater to the needs of everyone (Christian, Muslim, etc..) at once WHILE keeping the issues in check. Bush's administration was bold enough to be the first EVER to not only regard that as NOT important, but to stray away from it to get re-elected. Sure, re-election was at stake but really Bush & Co. did you think you were bigger than 200+ years of traditional procedures in American democracy?
Did you mean the lesser of two evils? And wouldn't the lesser of two evils be the better candidate? Dude you want to talk evil, brainwashing millions nationwide (mostly our southern neighbors) into thinking you're a good ol' humble guy who's in it for everyone but himself and his closest Texas corporate padnuhs summarizes the word evil to me.
But the fact that he was able to sell it to everyone is what's unbelievable. Moral values.. sounds golden but it isn't going to protect our homeland, educate or feed people, maintain the environment, or stimulate the economy. Answers will.
Well I am glad to see that it's that people are starting to rip off their dumb "W The president" bumper stickers. What kinda campaign swag is that, it looks like a rap album cover or something.
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MrTrunks
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 1:14 pm
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| LEstay wrote: | | Bush was reelected because of moral values. |
You mean taking over Mesopotamia for the evangelical return of Christ.
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rwnugent
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 3:55 pm
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Lestay how will building new refineries lower the price of oil? It's the price of the raw material that is going up. Another refinery won't cause the price of crude oil to drop.
You Christians coming out in force is what has gotten this country where it is today. Intolerant, ignorant, and brainwashed to beleive whatever your leader wants you to beleive. I think voters are finally starting to realize that all that holy roller talk was a bunch of BS because now all those middle class Bush followers are realizing that he and his buddies are driving them to bankruptcy while him and his cronies are reporting record profits.
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Tombo
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:28 am
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^ Yep. and by all means, it's those same middle class people who would normally vote democrat. You know, if they weren't subliminally told by Campaign ads, country music, friends and neighbors they were monsters for doing so. It's a shame that holy rollers are just now figuring out they were suckered, but at least they figured it out. Basically man, if you're not a CEO or some other kind of millionaire, you can't get ahead with Bush & Co in Washington.
And yeah intolerant, closed minded.. You described it perfectly that's where we are now. Here's another piece of honesty, religion is a 2 billion dollar a year industry that pays no taxes. So I'm failing to make the connection with where the morality and honesty part comes in..
It's all about politics, it always was. The Bushes are rich as hell they don't truly care whether or not Jimmy Wilson in Anytown, USA returns the wallet he found in an IHOP bathroom to its rightful owner.
Sadly, most everyone in the white house right now are corrupt, power drunk and are in no position to solve any real problems before letting things go from bad to worse because they have no vision, sense or control. Sure they appear innocent, but that's just a front.
Hillary in Washington wouldn't be bad at all, I don't know why everyone bashes her. It would be great, it would be just like Bill was running shit again. Maybe things would get back to normal to some limit.. I don't know if she or anyone else could replace all of the money that Bush spent, but it would be a hell of a lot better than what's going on now.. I think either John Kerry or Joe Biden is going to end up running in '08 for the left though.
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rwnugent
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Tue Nov 08, 2005 6:48 pm
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I hope John McCain runs again. he's the only republican i could vote for but i would vote for him over most democrats.
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Tombo
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 5:08 am
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Yeah McCain's got a good head on his shoulders. He and some others are about to finally step in and force anti-steroid policies in sports because the owners and league offices won't do anything.
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rwnugent
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 6:19 pm
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I really couldn't give two shits about steroids in sports. hell let'em snort coke if they want to. this country has much much bigger problems to worry about. if steroids are anywhere near the top of his list of priorities then i may need to reconsider voting for him.
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Procrastination is like masturbation. It seems like a good idea at the time time but in the end you´re just fucking yourself. |
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Tombo
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They have to enforce a drug free environment around sports clubs for the same reason your job and mine doesn't want you to show up wasted. You will screw something up on the job. And another thing, a lot of kids look up to athletes so it's not right to let them think its ok to get big on juice, etc. It's become a big issue so finally they will pass legislation to force a half season suspension for first offense, full season for a second and lifetime ban for a third. It won't take much effort in congress so it's not going to be occupying all of McCain's time or anything.
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